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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    I'm not talking about lineage or whatever, I'm just talking about purposefully using misleading terminology. Kickboxing is sort of a vague term that can be loosely applied to karate or any other style that involves kicking and punching, and jujitsu is almost a catchall term for "grappling" and could easily be interpreted as brazilian jujitsu. If I saw a school that claimed to teach jujitsu and kickboxing, I'd assume it was an MMA school.
    Maybe there's more ambiguity in the US with grappling. When I hear 'Jujutsu' without 'Brazilian' in front of it, I think of the Japanese stuff.

    Not that it really makes a difference in this case - as you say, 'MMA' is straightforwardly associated with the full-contact mix that's now so popular.
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    Jon Bluming taught guys judo and karate and had them competing in MMA competitions years before the MMA boom here in America.

    You can train Wind Chun and Aikido and be doing MMA. You'd just be doing crap MMA that wouldn't prepare you at all for the UFC, Pride, KOTC or what not.

    And JJJ actually does = jujutsu.

    I doesn't get any more Zen than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
    And JJJ actually does = jujutsu.
    read my last post plz
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    I like the assertation that they didn't advertise MMA but "Mixed Martial arts training and mixed martial arts"

    That's like saying "We didn't claim to be with the CIA - we claimed to be with the Central Intelligence Agency. No harm no foul."
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    As far as the history of things, I think someone would need to pull out their copies of UFC 1-10. If you remember, at first they talked about what "style" people did. This soon gave way to just stating "grappling" or "striking" for like, one episode or something. Of course, soon "grappling" and "striking" soon didn't classify people correctly either. I seem to recall that's when I first heard the term MMA being thrown around by Rogan et al.

    Of course, 95% of the time it meant that someone was adding BJJ to their MT/kung-fu/karate/TKD/boxing/kickboxing/Thai-bo/Ia-do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    Was the acronym "MMA" really used simply to describe crosstraining? I've always thought MMA was just the name of the sport, like "kickboxing".
    As far as I remember it, yes. However, I really could be wrong here. Though I do seem to remember the sport getting the name change very soon after the training getting named that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
    You can train Wind Chun and Aikido and be doing MMA. You'd just be doing crap MMA that wouldn't prepare you at all for the UFC, Pride, KOTC or what not.
    Sure. This is the difference between the literal meaning of the phrase/acronym and its contemporary connotations. It might literally mean any mix of martial arts, but in the minds of most punters MMA is the stuff on television and DVD. It is the latter that some dodgy teachers are capitalising on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    read my last post plz

    I did.

    Jujutsu is not a catch all term for grappling, especially sport grappling associated with MMA competition.

    It specifically describes a set method of grappling and its associated schools.

    Jujutsu is not catch wrestling is not sumo is no mongolian wrestling is not celtic wrestling is not Ssireum.

    While jujutsu is mainly grappling, there are jujutsu ryu that are almost exclusively striking arts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYoung
    Sure. This is the difference between the literal meaning of the phrase/acronym and its contemporary connotations. It might literally mean any mix of martial arts, but in the minds of most punters MMA is the stuff on television and DVD. It is the latter that some dodgy teachers are capitalising on.
    It's not even that.

    You do WC and Aikido and get in the ring, you're doing MMA.

    You're just gonna get your ass handed to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
    It's not even that.

    You do WC and Aikido and get in the ring, you're doing MMA.

    You're just gonna get your ass handed to you.
    Fair enough - I see what you are getting at. While schools might not be teaching what people expect when they see 'MMA' (our original gripe), if the students get in the local MMA ring with their Tai Chi and Ballet combination, they're doing MMA, just badly.
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    i have to agree that when i hear jujitsu i think of jjj. the standing locking and striking of the japanese. I only think of grappling when i hear the individual style names like sambo, judo, bjj.
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