Shovels hooks are short power? The only way short power works?

**AAAhmed46** · Posted On: 4/06/2006 2:55pm

Lots o kung-fu and some karate people love to talk about short power, the way it's done in taiji. It has principles and everything.

But the thing is, it's almost never really used.

Shovel hooks, on the other hand follow many the principles of short power and they work really damn well!

Yet most(not all) of my fellow TMA people dont consider it the same; they even look down on hooks themselves!

But if anything, it seems like the application of short power to me; the real use for it seems to be the shovel hook.

Is my line of thinking correct?

**VikingPower** · Posted On: 4/06/2006 2:58pm

I only know a little bit about short power, but if they're talking short power they should DEFINITELY include shovel hooks. To not do so is ignorant and silly.

**Zendetta** · Posted On: 4/06/2006 3:09pm

Sock 'em in the fucking liver and see how their chi reacts.

**AAAhmed46** · Posted On: 4/06/2006 3:11pm

Serious though; my sensei teaching me shovel hooks mad me realize that the hook was one of gods gifts to man.

**GIJoe6186** · Posted On: 4/07/2006 4:00pm

Shovel hooks are great. I go close to my bag when I workout and practice throwing short hooks. Best for short range on par with your elbows.

**pst** · Posted On: 4/07/2006 6:32pm

Are there any specific setups to work with when doing them? For instance, just out of a clinch, etc.

**Odacon** · Posted On: 4/07/2006 8:16pm

I love hooks so much, because 99% of non-kyokushin karateka never train them, because they're "easy to block", and "sloppy". Kiai!!

**GIJoe6186** · Posted On: 4/07/2006 8:44pm

Kareteka hold their hands at their waste. Lets not talk about them anymore. Hooks are a great way to make power and shovel hooks are great because of the odd angle.

**VikingPower** · Posted On: 4/07/2006 9:05pm

Originally Posted by odacon

I love hooks so much, because 99% of non-kyokushin karateka never train them, because they're "easy to block", and "sloppy". Kiai!!

Shitos are fun as **** too.

**Arbiter** · Posted On: 4/08/2006 12:26am

There are a lot of applications for Fa Li, or short power in striking. In a linear punch it comes as *pop* at the end of the strike. So the strike itself doenst have to be short to utilize short power, it just needs coorinated explosion from legs, hips, back, shoulder, arm to rock at the right time. this could be from close range w/o traveling far to target, or the explosive jolt at the end of a long range strike. It is easier to get the feel of in something like a shovel-hook, it is harder to develop in something like a stiff jab or a cross. There is specialized training for it in certain CMA, but a boxer will be developing the same thing from a different perspective.