Kyokushinkai vs Muay Thai

**Odacon** · Posted On: 4/01/2006 10:35pm

First of all, I know there are threads containing references to this, but I can't find a definite answer anywhere. Did Mas Oyama and Yoshiji Soeno really fight and defeat Thai fighters "Black Cobra", and "Reiba"? There are a few articles here and there but no pictures or coments from the men themselves.

**Hannibal** · Posted On: 4/01/2006 10:38pm

I do know for a fact that Mas Oyama was the first to take a team of Karate fighters from Japan to take on Thailands to Muay Tai fighters and they did quite well. This was not recent. It happened 30 years ago I think.

**Gezere** · Posted On: 4/01/2006 10:50pm

Originally Posted by odacon

First of all, I know there are threads containing references to this, but I can't find a definite answer anywhere. Did Mas Oyama and Yoshiji Soeno really fight and defeat Thai fighters "Black Cobra", and "Reiba"? There are a few articles here and there but no pictures or coments from the men themselves.

It is a fact that Oyama, Soeno, and Terutomo went to Thailand and fought many Thai fighters. The actual names of the fighters is kind of hard to verifiy since BLACK COBRA and REIBA were most likely nicknames and pple change them or forget them.

**Odacon** · Posted On: 4/02/2006 10:52am

Any pictures of those matches? I know it was in the fifties but so was Kimura/Gracie, and there was even video of that. In fact, are there any pics of Oyama in action when he was young? Apart from against bulls of course.

**Method2Madness** · Posted On: 4/02/2006 12:49pm

i could see a good Kyokushin guy doing well against a MT guy. i didnt know there were challenge matches though.

**Lu Tze** · Posted On: 4/02/2006 1:04pm

Yeah, apparently the only karateka who accepted were Oyama's guys... or so the story goes.

**DAYoung** · Posted On: 4/03/2006 12:02am

Originally Posted by odacon

Any pictures of those matches? I know it was in the fifties but so was Kimura/Gracie, and there was even video of that. In fact, are there any pics of Oyama in action when he was young? Apart from against bulls of course.

If you follow this search through, you should find a few short videos of Oyama:

http://www.altavista.com/video/resul...mvd=all&stq=20

They usually show him doing kata, hitting a makiwara, or beating up blackbelts (as a middle-aged man).

**Mr. Jones** · Posted On: 4/03/2006 12:51am

http://crane.50megs.com/index6w.htm

**Torakaka** · Posted On: 4/03/2006 12:57am

Originally Posted by LORD ASIA

It is a fact that Oyama, Soeno, and Terutomo went to Thailand and fought many Thai fighters. The actual names of the fighters is kind of hard to verifiy since BLACK COBRA and REIBA were most likely nicknames and pple change them or forget them.

Apparently this is kind of an issue with fighters in Thailand and certain ranking systems. It seems most of the fighters generally just go by ring names (which often change) and so orginazations like WIKBA and what not rarely tend to give out rankings to fighters in Thailand.

**Draven** · Posted On: 4/03/2006 2:04am

Watch K-1 if you want to see Kyokishin VS Muay Thai matches. Most of the KK fighters do boxing or MT with it though due to the lack of headpunches in their art so its not strictly style VS style.