4/13/2006 7:37pm, #31Originally Posted by Hitman
Don't get me wrong, I agree that it's good to be generally fit and strong, but especially endurance-wise you need to train for what you're doing. Just because a guy can do 500 pushups and squats doesn't mean he's going to be able to swim a mile any faster than a guy who just swims all the time.
4/13/2006 8:29pm, #32
- Join Date
- Feb 2004
- Woodbury, MN
- Mixed Martial Arts
Bodyweight stuff is not a bad thing. I mix some of it into every lifting day.
We also use it every MMA training session.
4/13/2006 9:04pm, #33Originally Posted by Koto_Ryu"Keep a sharp knife, shiny boots and be on time."
4/13/2006 10:45pm, #34Originally Posted by Hitman
Crossfit's on the right path but it's not the be-all end-all of fitness, mostly because they have to make it too generalized to fit everyone. It's like a horoscope, it makes sense if you convince yourself it does, but then again it's supposed to do the same for everyone. Two guys I used to train with were big Crossfitters, but they still spewed when I took them for a training session. Because it's so general, your gains overall will be minimal rather than if you do a specialization. For general athleticism, it's awesome. For fight training, you can use some of the ideas but I wouldn't take the whole package.
4/13/2006 11:00pm, #35Originally Posted by Hitman
4/13/2006 11:04pm, #36Originally Posted by Meager
In all honesty, it's awesome for weekend warriors and maybe the average MAist, but who really wants to be average?
4/14/2006 5:10am, #37
The thing about bodyweight exercises for strength is that there is an upper limit on the amount of resistance you have to work with. If you're doing bodyweight exercise as part of a general fitness programme to get back into shape, there's probably a good chance you will be losing weight as time goes on, thus giving yourself less resistance to work with rather than progressively more (as most strength training programmes seem to require).
With weights, you know exactly how much resistance you're working against, and you always have the option of increasing the resistance when a certain number of reps starts to feel easy, by just adding more weight.
Whether or not the extra strength you can get from weights is worth the time, or is counterproductive, for combat sports is another subject.!!RENT SPACE HERE FOR 10 VBUCKS PER LINE PER MONTH!!
!! PM ME FOR SPEEDY SERVICE !!
Sponsored by our first customer: Repulsive Monkey
I <3 Sirc.
4/14/2006 5:14am, #38Originally Posted by Koto_Ryu
This makes alot of sense.
But to tell the truth ever since I've mixed bodyweight exercises with my martial arts training, my fighting stamina has taken a big leap forward.
The drill mentioned earlier with burpees is something we do in Kyokushin. We do:
Burpees - 10.
Padwork - 2 minute flat out
Rest - 1 minute
Padwork - 2minute flat out
This drill has worked wonders for me. But again I think it somes back to specialisation. You body is exerise specific in what it adapts to. Supplementry training like weights or running or swimming is fine but it is just that, supplementry training. It should NEVER replace martial arts training.
If your training to get on the mat and fight for 3 X 3 minute rounds, then that is what you should be doing.Hannibal: The sworn enemy of dishonest politicians, source of entertainment on Bullshido and newly appointed Office Linebacker. Terry Tait ain't got **** on me !!!!
4/14/2006 2:51pm, #39
I feel I should also point that the Workout of the Day is NOT the only thing going on in Crossfit. Crossfit is analogous to say, Jeet Kune Do, where it is a philosophy rather than an actual system. THere have been several articles about adapting Crossfit to meet the demands of your particular activity. If you want an idea of what I'm talking about go pick up Navy SEAL physical fitness by Stew Smith. It's not a book with Crossfit written across the cover, but look inside and you'll see the exact same principles in play (intensity, variability, and functionality). It applies the Crossfit principles to a program for a specific activity (BUD/S)."Keep a sharp knife, shiny boots and be on time."
4/14/2006 4:38pm, #40
Originally Posted by Cullion
- Join Date
- Jun 2005
- Seattle, WA area
- Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
A recent issue of the Crossfit Journal published the results of a scientific study done with the Canadian military (insert Canuck jokes here). The short of it was this: Group A of soldiers went through standard Canadian military training, Group B of soldiers did Crossfit. Group B beat Group A in every single fitness test (run times, vertical jumps, pushups, pull ups, etc.), and spent *less time* working out to achieve those results.
As for Body Weight conditioning, Cullion is only partially correct.
Gymnastics strength exercises use body weight as the workload, but *reduce leverage* as you work towards the more advanced postures/movements. You don't increase the load, but you reduce your leverage to make the same load harder to move/lift.
One example of a very strong gymnast (who did gymnastics but no weight training) I remember was a guy that deadlifted 4X his body weight right out of the gate (first attempt) -- and he'd apparently never deadlifted before.
BTW -- I'm not a body weight training nut, either. I just thought this point was worth bringing up. I know I sound like a Crossfit Nutrider... I kinda am, but I'm not down on other systems either (5X5, Dinosaur Training -- there's lots of good ones).