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  1. Fitz is offline

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     Style: Judo, Tomiki Aikido, ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by elnyka
    Anyways, if we weren't running barefoot on a track or up and down the stairs on a 5-story building as a 20-minute warmup (until we puked or farted in pain, literally), we were throwing punches and kicking in the air non-stop until we puked or farted in pain, literally. In addition to that, we had to do lots and lots of push-ups on our two big nuckles... and sometimes on the back of our wrists (bending the wrists with fingers pointing inward, crazy ****.)
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    Knuckle pushups are an easier way to get the body to increase the bone mass on the knuckles then hitting things and a hell of a lot safer too.

    Those "hands turned in" pushups are pretty common conditioning exercise used in Aikido schools.

    Okay, used in the Aikido schools that bother with conditioning.

    Shotokan style conditioning can be pretty serious. I used to watch Sensei Masataka Mori, probably the top ranked Shotokan practioner in the Western Hemisphere, literally walk up the back leg of people while they were in the traditional Shotokan front stance to make sure they had their body alignment right when he was teaching at Stony Brook. He also had a tendency to wander around with a Shinai in hand that had its end covered in extra padding while people were doing drills to tap them on the hip for the same reason. Nine out of ten times people would end up toppling over from either of these "checks" which impressed on me just how easy it was to get these methods wrong (and thus get the sloppy practitioner into serious **** in real life) and how strong those stances actually were when someone knew how to really do them.

    It is a lot of kata, kata and more kata in terms of training though. The only thing I can think of in its defense is that it ends up turning the practioner into a constant within all the variables of a fight. That's useful if you're dealing with someone who has little idea of what they are doing but if you're dealing with someone who knows your constant and have set their own variables to deal with it, you're screwed.

    I think that in a nutshell is my problem with kata based martial arts.
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     Style: Aikido/Judo/BJJ/Naginata

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    Shotokan style conditioning can be pretty serious. I used to watch Sensei Masataka Mori, probably the top ranked Shotokan practioner in the Western Hemisphere, literally walk up the back leg of people while they were in the traditional Shotokan front stance to make sure they had their body alignment right when he was teaching at Stony Brook. He also had a tendency to wander around with a Shinai in hand that had its end covered in extra padding while people were doing drills to tap them on the hip for the same reason. Nine out of ten times people would end up toppling over from either of these "checks" which impressed on me just how easy it was to get these methods wrong (and thus get the sloppy practitioner into serious **** in real life) and how strong those stances actually were when someone knew how to really do them.
    That sounds awesome. It's too bad I didn't start college at Stony Brook until they were getting rid of all the Phys. Ed. classes. I would've loved to train more with guys like Higashi and Mori. Oh and did you see my question about the fees Fitz?
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    My buddy and I visited the dojo and we only got to catch a glimpse of a little kid class. They instructor claims to be a 6th degree blackbelt in Shotokan with 3rd degree Iaido. He also teaches boxing and kickboxing classes which i may take a demo of tomorrow. As another note this is one of the few dojos that im not positive is a Mcdojo so may be one of my only options as many dojos in my area are McDojo's. He charges $70 a month for 5 days a week. I hope i can get a deal where I can only go 2 days a week due to my tiem crunch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheddar
    He charges $70 a month for 5 days a week. I hope i can get a deal where I can only go 2 days a week due to my tiem crunch.
    You are an example for part time martial artist everywhere.
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    What do you mean, please explain... if your saying im a duche because i only want to train 2 days a week im sorry, but i have swimming and work which rapes my time pretty good... if i could go everyday you bet i would, but i have other obligations.
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    70 a month isn't too bad actually. Did you ask him if they did full contact sparring and all that?
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    they progress into it for the Shotokan, but for kickboxing it is full contact
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheddar
    What do you mean, please explain... if your saying im a duche because i only want to train 2 days a week im sorry, but i have swimming and work which rapes my time pretty good... if i could go everyday you bet i would, but i have other obligations.
    I shall make a thread answering your comment.
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     Style: Kyokushin and Judo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheddar
    My buddy and I visited the dojo and we only got to catch a glimpse of a little kid class. They instructor claims to be a 6th degree blackbelt in Shotokan with 3rd degree Iaido. He also teaches boxing and kickboxing classes which i may take a demo of tomorrow. As another note this is one of the few dojos that im not positive is a Mcdojo so may be one of my only options as many dojos in my area are McDojo's. He charges $70 a month for 5 days a week. I hope i can get a deal where I can only go 2 days a week due to my tiem crunch.

    Shotokan Karate and Kickboxing ? Thats an awsome combination.

    If you get hard, old school karate conditioning with kickboxing fight training then you've got a good thing going. I say try a class and see what it is like. Between Shotokan and kickboxing, you've got the striking game covered.

    As for pricing, $70- per month is a fair price. Thats what I pay for Kyokushin Karate. My Kyokushin dojo has classes 6 days per week but I can only make it 2-3 nights per week. So what if you can only go 2 nights per week ? If you get decent quality training you'll get your money's worth.
    Hannibal: The sworn enemy of dishonest politicians, source of entertainment on Bullshido and newly appointed Office Linebacker. Terry Tait ain't got **** on me !!!!
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    Idk if the conditioning will matter cuz im in excellent physical condition and after swimming and lifting ill proly be fairly tired
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