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  1. MALibrarian is offline

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    New Hampshire Martial Arts legislation

    New Hampshire has enacted legislation that will counter some of the current financial practices in the Martial arts world. Some highlights (summarized):

    - Students are allowed to cancel any contract within 3 days of signing it with a full refund.
    - Students will be given pro-rated refunds if they become unable to participate in martial arts due to medical reasons (verified by a doctor) or if they move more than 8 miles.
    - All schools must offer monthly contracts and, if they offer any term contracts, they must offer a yearly contract. They may offer any other contracts that they wish. A montly contact cannot cost greater than 25% more annually than the cheapest contract does annually.
    - No school may offer contracts more than 3 years.
    - Schools must post a surety bond in order to cover any remaining value on contracts should they go out of business.

    All of the above seem like a wonderful thing, and offer some further consumer protections.


    The part that I found very interesting was the following:

    II. Martial arts schools shall be prohibited from making any misrepresentation to current members, prospective members, or purchasers of membership contracts regarding:

    (a) Qualifications of staff.

    (b) ...


    I'm curious if this might have further reaching implications, especially if rank is considered a measure of qualification?
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    I think thats awesome.
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    Yes it would, rank would definately be a qualification, why else is it typically listed in the yellow pages ad. :)

    If you can get a copy of the proposed legislation please post it here.
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    Here's the link

    http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legi...06/hb1325.html

    Sorry about that, I meant to post a link and it slipped my mind.
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    Qualifications

    II. Martial arts schools shall be prohibited from making any misrepresentation to current members, prospective members, or purchasers of membership contracts regarding:

    (a) Qualifications of staff.

    (b) Availability, quality, or extent of facilities or services.

    (c) Results obtained through martial arts training.
    The thing is, who decides what denotes Qualification? Is it these guys? Because they just gave me a 10th dan in "Kouch Po-Tae-Do"
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    I think the only qualifications that could be brought the bear would be official ones, such as government stuff. Former LEO, military training, claiming to have taught seminars, or trained super-awesome SWAT type groups.
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    I think--not being a lawyer . . . but I watch Law & Order--that disputes over qualifications will be determined on a case-by-case basis. What I mean by that is if I claim expertise in "Chinese and Japanese martial arts," I will have to--if brought to court by students and/or the guv'ment--have to actually show what those are. This seems, to me, to be a civil matter in which the guv'ment or students can claim that I am falsely advertising.

    The more specifically incorrect the claim, the easier. We [We?--Ed.] have seen such obvious claims as "14 dan" in TKD, "student of Bruce Lee," all the way to "defeated Grand Japanese Champion of Whatsamatter Ryu" in "Krotty Kumite of Kaos in Hoboken."

    How will this effect "Dan-Mills" like the one quoted by Askari?

    Perhaps a real lawyer can comment?

    --J.D.
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    I am completely against this. How in the world are Soke's gonna retire if they can't scheme and cheat people?
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    How about this line under the Buyer's Rights Section

    (2) The seller relocates the facility more than 8 miles from its present location, the services provided by the seller are materially impaired, or the seller ceases operation

    "Services provided by the seller are materially impaired". Now while I don't know what materially impaired means it could be if the school has its weight machines repossessed, or if it loses its ability to offer a major part of its services if a particular instructor leaves.

    And yes Doctor X, while qualifications is an undefined word, I'll predict as a lawyer that level of Black Belt rank will be found to be a qualification for offering services.

    I wonder if they would like people to testify a a hearing in support of this bill.
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    Doesn't that in turn open up a can of worms in terms of legitimate black belts and so forth?
    Who says mistar super 15th dan ninjer is legit or not?
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