Thread: 9mm vs. 9mm Hollow Point
3/26/2006 12:35am, #21Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
I just use it as an excuse of why I have shitty english "sk11lz." Mainly, I have no real desire to improve them.
3/26/2006 12:49am, #22Originally Posted by KageKaze
Good luck with that.
3/26/2006 12:57am, #23Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
3/26/2006 3:08am, #24
Originally Posted by SFGOON
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- Evansville, Indiana
The idea of practicing to completely unload your weapon every time you engage a target is in my opinion, moronic. Plus could definitely land you into legal problems depending on the situation (excessive force?) I know, its better to be tried by 13 than carried by 6, but still. Reloading takes time and I've seen many military people fumble a magazine when not even under live fire stress and they practiced regularly.
Not to mention bad guy number two walking thru the door, with a loaded pistol. Yeah again, you'd say who in their right mind would walk into a room after hearing 8-13 shots fired. Maybe the guy who realizes you must be empty and need to reload?
Everyone talks about stopping/knockdown power/caliber/hand gun type, but to be honest; bullet placement is the single most important factor in effecting a quick kill/stop. No other factor is so important. Regardless of the choice of caliber or bullet type, proper shot placement is vital.
A bullet that hits a major center of nervous activity, such as the brain or the upper spine, is almost always lethal, and usually instantly.
If the bullet hits a major blood channel, such as the heart or the aorta, death is generally very rapid, taking place within a few seconds of impact.
If the hit is in the lungs, and none of the major blood vessels in the chest is ruptured, death may take several minutes to occur, during which time the person is capable of some degree of movement.
A hit in leg, shoulder, arm, etc. may be disabling, and may even be (eventually) fatal; but usually it isn't, and the person almost always retains considerable mobility and capacity to respond.
It follows from these facts that bullet placement is the single most important factor in effecting a quick kill/stop. What the easiest most effective way to identify it is this. You want to make the largest cavity possible as deep as possible into the target, if your plan is for maximum incapacitation.
Practice with ball ammo, run hollowpoints for self-defense.
3/26/2006 11:40am, #25Originally Posted by SFGOON
Also..... the .357 sig is kind of a bottle-necked .40. It's a little expensive for my tastes but a good round none-the-less. The Secret Service uses .357 SIG.
Last edited by Hawkeye; 3/26/2006 11:42am at ."We spoke to them in the only language they understood: the machine gun"
3/26/2006 1:44pm, #26Originally Posted by Poop Loops
3/26/2006 7:06pm, #27
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There are way too many different types of rounds out there to sort out whats hearsay and rumor, and whats fact. If you really want to see what round will work best, go out and buy some large pig bones (or ply wood if you're a pansy or somesuch) sink them in ballistics gel and shoot various rounds off into it.
THe one that goes through the bone and keeps going is the winner. It's most likely to pierce through skull or rib and get something something vital.
3/26/2006 7:24pm, #28
3/26/2006 7:29pm, #29Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
That is funny because its absolutely true. My roomate for 2 years was an english major. That conversation happened about once a month :)
3/26/2006 7:55pm, #30I don't know. I'm shooting because I want him to die without hurting me...