True, true. Two good grapplers going up against one another often results in a stalemate.
Still, though, I find most of the groundwork in the UFC pretty uninspiring.
But then again, I'm a Pride nutrider.
Well, I think that two things are true of grappling: There's a bigger gulf to overcome when a skill differential exists, and there's a greater chance of stalemate when it doesn't.
Punisher wrote: "Can you name some specific instances?"
I dont want to detract from some of the excellent strikers we have had in the UFC in the recent past. I am a huge fan of Chuck Liddel's ability to control the fight and keep it in his phase of combat. Though I think he can do this because he is an excellent wrestler and Jiu-Jitsu player. I've watched his earlier fights and he can take it to the ground in a very effective fashion.
Yeah I have specific examples, but I am going to have to pull up my PVR of 57 and 58. I saw activity in the clinch and Mario Yamasaki seperating them. I saw fighters setting up the move before the submission and getting stood up. Then I saw fighters stalling intentionally on the ground in order to get a stand up because they didnt want to fight gaurd.
I am a bit of a Pride fan on this one, I really like to see open field grappling.
What I dont like is the constant discussion of making fights exciting rather then trying to find out who is the better fighter.
There is a another recently started thread that addresses what we're talking about.
Once you find your examples, continue the discusison here:
Punisher, thanks for the link, I'll read that one.
I am a huge fan of the complete cross-training fighter. GSP etc. But I have to admit to a grappling bias.
IMO BJ didnt even try to fight on the ground with George until the last few seconds of the final round. When the fight hit the mat, BJ was trying to stand back up.
Originally Posted by GoJu - Joe
Again imo, this was his downfall in the fight.