Power From a JF stance?

**wagamichi** · Posted On: 3/25/2006 7:39am

Originally Posted by Shard

How would one be able to generate the most power from a Jun fan stance? Its basically a side stance with the dominant side foward. I know you can throw some nasty side kicks from here but what about round houses?
Is it at all possible to throw a decent kick[roundhouse] with the lead lead?

Has anyone done this type of thing before? Are the twist mechanics the same as that of a orthodox stance?

Bill Wallice used to throw a really good lead leg round kick. It was clocked at 60 Mph. or so the legend goes. he did knock out a buch of fellas with it. To train it, he threw 1000 kicks a day at a ping pong ball hanging from a string on a cloths line. He did this because a knee injury prevented him from kicking with his other leg.

**Hedgehogey** · Posted On: 3/25/2006 8:12pm

THIS PACK OF UNDESIRABLE GENETIC THROWBACKS SHALL REMAIN IN THEIR DISGUSTING HOLE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS ALL DISCUSSION OF GROIN STRIKES AND "CRANE BLOCKING" HAS CEASED

**meng_mao** · Posted On: 3/25/2006 8:41pm

Originally Posted by hedgehogey

THIS PACK OF UNDESIRABLE GENETIC THROWBACKS SHALL REMAIN IN THEIR DISGUSTING HOLE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS ALL DISCUSSION OF GROIN STRIKES AND "CRANE BLOCKING" HAS CEASED

You didn't have to come down here to read this. What is the problem?

**~SS2~** · Posted On: 3/26/2006 7:11pm

Originally Posted by meng_mao

I feel plenty mobile in a boxer's stance or even square on.

What is a crane block?

Pretty simple, used by most mixed martial artists, and stand up fighters. Quick snap of the knee to block a roundhouse or front kick. Useful, as you can clearly snap your knee up faster than someone can snap their knee up and extend their leg. Usually injures their foot as well, if they went full force.

**Askari** · Posted On: 3/27/2006 7:28am

I like Hatmaker's books. What he says in relation to MMA and needing to be able to adapt and fight from either lead makes sense.

His estimation is that 30 days training for your offside only will get you sufficiently proficient to be able to use these tools from either side.

In the unregulated environment of a scramble/sprawl and brawl situation I can see the advantages to being able to access your best weapons from either lead with some percentage of success.

**meng_mao** · Posted On: 3/27/2006 9:09am

Originally Posted by ~SS2~

Pretty simple, used by most mixed martial artists, and stand up fighters. Quick snap of the knee to block a roundhouse or front kick. Useful, as you can clearly snap your knee up faster than someone can snap their knee up and extend their leg. Usually injures their foot as well, if they went full force.

I thought that was called shin-checking?

**DaChinkOfSteel** · Posted On: 3/27/2006 9:29am

Originally Posted by meng_mao

I thought that was called shin-checking?

I think you may be right...

Anyways...I'm naturally an orthadox fighter, but I've kinda trained both sides; because that's just how we did it in TKD...I've also read Hatmaker's books and tried switching leads, but since I'd trained both sides, anyways...it wasn't that big of a deal...I can't comment exactly on "which side is better", but I do know for a lot of purposes, strong-side forward lead is good...

For the most part, I'll do stand-up with strong-side back, simply because that's how I originally trained...when I switch to more "MMA" training or strict BJJ, I'll use my southpaw lead more because I shoot much faster/stronger right-legged (maybe that's a bad thing because my partners will come to expect it...thankfully they haven't yet.)

I can see it from both sides...devoting 100% of your time to one particular stance is good because you specialize that way and will be able to perform at a much higher percentage than splitting your time between both sides for training. However, I guess the catch is...the person who trains both sides can be more versatile for different purposes (like my own example for grappling.)

**~SS2~** · Posted On: 3/28/2006 7:26pm

Originally Posted by meng_mao

I thought that was called shin-checking?

It is in Muay Thai. It's called a crane block in Kung Fu. They vary a bit, but to that am indifferent, as they serve the exact same purpose.

**meng_mao** · Posted On: 3/28/2006 7:36pm

Originally Posted by ~SS2~

They vary a bit, but to that am indifferent

what is the difference?

**Shard** · Posted On: 3/29/2006 11:56am

Well after a few Acid tests, I'm putting my JF stance aside, literally. It works wonders just as i switch from orthodox to JF.
But anything beyond 5 seconds and most of my opponents would have adapted to my side stance. So i typically get 2 hits out then i need to switch back.
It leaves my back open to a solid RH. And i just realised there's a big hole for a left hook to come in.
Maybe my strategy needs to change with my stance? Any tips on what to do?