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    Fang Shen Do: Sordid History

    We have discussed on a thread in the Bullshido Forum (Link) and over as an Article the sordid aspects of the Martial Cult that is Bullshido. But we have not delved into the history of this art as can be found through systematic research.

    Intrepid researchers have been combing the streets and providing me with emails and scans that outline in detail how this Martial Cult came to be.

    In this thread I hope to bring out a comprehensive examination of the development and history of Jacques Patinaude and his Fang Shen Do. There are many others who will read this and I hope will provide us with insite and information that will help in the research.

    We will begin with scans of the yellow page adds purchased by Fang Shen Do over the last 15 or 20 years. Starting with their Wing Chun Do add in 1982.
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    By the late 1980s the school is now known as Patenaude's Kung Fu. You may wonder why? Well it seems that Jacques wasnt actually qualified by James DeMile to teach Wing Chun Do. According to our research the following was uncovered, and originally posted on the long thread researching the cult aspects:

    ---------- Forwarded message ----------
    From: sijo <sijo@wingchundo.com>
    Date: Mar 1, 2006 4:39 PM
    Subject: Re: a question about a former student
    To: [name and e-mail redacted]

    Yes, Jaques did train with me many years ago. He only learned the basics, yet made claims as to knowing more.He made a terrible video on closing and I told him to withdraw all claims to being an instructor from my school. He started his own school of which I know little. He only had an introduction to Chi Sao and trapping, yet made claims to being qualified to teach them. He does not claim a linage because he has no real linage, just a lot of bits and pieces from many styles.
    ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
    From: [name and e-mail redacted]
    Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 14:09:20 -0500
    >Dear Mr Demile,
    >
    >I'm sure that you are a busy man, and thank you in advance if you are
    >able to take the time to answer my questions.
    >
    >I am a martial arts student in Ottawa, Canada and am currently studying
    >a style called "Fangshendo" in a school run by Jaques Patenaude. I do
    >enjoy the training, but we are not given much information as to the
    >history/lineage of the school.
    >
    >A little bit of poking around the internet led me to reading about
    >yourself and Wing Chun Do. I have actually purchased a copy of your
    >book: The Tao of Whing Chun Do.
    >
    >After seeing many similarities in what I have been taught, and your
    >system curiosity has gotten the better of me and I thought I would send
    >you an email, in the hopes you could answer some of my questions.
    >
    >Is it true that Mr Patenaude was a former student of yours? If so, for
    >how long and to what level? What was he like as a student? Finally and
    >would you know the reasons for his departure from your system?
    >
    >Once again thankyou for your time.
    >
    >Respectfully yours,
    >
    >[name redacted]
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    The reason for the lack of certification from DeMile is explained on DeMile's website: www.wingchundo.com

    The Third level was from 1976 until 1979. It was also a basic phase of WCD as the focus was on teaching the application. It was at this time DeMile became very frustrated with trying to create the system. He decided to quit and let the few students who were dedicated to teach what they had learned. He put on a two week instructors seminar at his 10 acre farm in Sedro Wooley, Washington. DeMile felt that the participating instructors could teach the basics and create whatever they needed to round out their program. He stipulated that no instructor was to award a Black Belt in WCD without further training and only with DeMile's approval. WCD had not developed the teaching program for Chi Sao (sticking hands), Phon Sao (trapping hands), its 9 speed and 10 power source concepts and the 8 Closing of the gap techniques, so DeMile felt they needed to confine themselves to the basics. If they developed their own higher levels, that was fine, they could call their teaching anything they liked, but not Wing Chun Do. Unfortunately some of those certified in the basics abused their right to teach only WCD basics.
    So by the late 1990s we now begin to see advertisements for Fang Shen Do in the yellow pages.
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    Most recently an advertisement has appeared in a local Ottawa magazine.

    Just in case it isn't easily readable, a friend OCR'd the advertisement for us:

    LEFT SIDE:

    Why is Fang Shen Do Kung-Fu rapidly becoming one of the hottest martial arts schools in North America?

    How does a local boy born right here in Eastern Canada become recognized as one of the leaders in the martial arts world?

    MAIN TEXT:

    In 1997, an in-depth martial arts survey was completed in the U.S., examining best systems, facilities, instruction programs, in-depth training, and ranges of instruction taught in the U.S. and Canada. Fang Shen Do Kung-Fu was rated in the top 200 of tens of thousands of schools throughout North America. Moreover, Fang Shen Do Kung-Fu was one of only three schools in Canada that were included in the top 200 ranking. Since the survey, Fang Shen Do Kung-Fu has opened a dynamic 20-acre training camp in Casselman, just east of Ottawa. Once a year, students come from the far corners of Ontario and Quebec to train at the camp in a non-stop, three day martial-arts marathon.

    Fang Shen Do Kung-Fu is one of the most effective systems ever developed for learning how to defend yourself or your loved ones. Boasting over 20 schools across Ontario and Quebec, Monday through Saturday thousands of people young and old are in class practicing how to become more effective fighters.

    Founder Sijo Patenaude has a wide range of experience in many different martial arts. He has ranking from Japanese, Chinese and Indian systems, and has extensive training in Boxing and Weaponry. Students of Fang Shen Do Kung-Fu also learn to attack the challenges of life from an internal standpoint. This ranges from goal setting to overcoming fears through a Focus on Results seminar. This year, Sijo introduced a new seminar on Anti-Aging, showing how the actual aging process may be fundamentally changed.

    Grand Master Sijo Patenaude stays true to the teaching of the ancestral masters of martial arts. His concern is that other systems water down the teachings of martial arts with ineffective techniques, short classes, and unrealistic perspectives on what works in a real fight. This watered-down approach results in young children receiving Black Belts with fewer than two years of training. Parents believe their children are learning an effective self-defence system, but in fact these children are now at risk because they are over-confident and under-skilled. Trophy-winning martial arts sports set unrealistic expectations for children that result in failed attempts at self defence in real life situations.

    The Fang Shen Do Kung-Fu system teaches real world techniques that can be applied by anyone regardless of weight, size or gender. We prepare students to defend themselves in all six ranges of combat: Psychological, Weapons, Kicking, Striking, Trapping and Grappling. Grand Master Sijo Patenaude is recognized as one of North America's complete Martial Artists. He has been featured in both local and international publications and has just completed his third book, 10 Secrets to a Rock Solid Martial Arts Foundation.

    Find out how Fang Shen Do Kung-Fu can help you. Learn the "Way Of Survival". Whether you're just starting out on life's journey, or you're a few years down the road, you know this world can offer some big challenges. Whether you need to learn physical and mental toughness, or control of your intensity and anger, you'll learn how to take charge. We're the real deal. You won't experience what we offer anywhere else.

    Join us. Take advantage of our free month special offer* and enjoy the Fang Shen Do Kung-Fu experience. Tap into the strengths of the dragon within and learn new ways to survive your challenges.

    BOTTOM:

    Call 569-0545 to get your first month of classes FREE

    Itís estimated that there are tens of thousands of martial arts schools throughout Canada and the United States. Fang Shen Do Kung-Fu was rated one of the top 200 martial arts schools in all of North America by Andrew Woods, the highly respected publisher of Martial Arts Business Magazine.
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    3/20/2006 10:20pm


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    This is mearly the beginning of our research. Jacques Patinaude has claimed rankings in "Japanese, Chinese and Indian systems," we know one of these is Wing Chun Do, we know that Shotakan Karate forms part of his base. We have ruled out legitimate qualification in Wing Chun Do. Can we do the same for his Shotokan Background?

    We know that Jacques Patinaude purchased a 10th dan ranking from these guys, he is listed about half way down:

    Fang Shen Do:
    Jacques Patenaude, 10th Degree, Soke and Founder
    Then his claim that Andrew Wood ranked the school as one of the top 200 in North America. Well here is Andrew Wood a martial arts marketing guru. I'd suggest that any ranking by Mr Wood is for sale.


    I am sure there is more dirt out there. There have been implications of criminal assault and if someone can post us a date for that I am sure someone in Ottawa can go down to the court house and check the records. It wouldnt surprise me coming from a family that puts out pictures of itself like this

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    Posted On:
    3/20/2006 10:33pm


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    Dont forget to ask yourself the question:

    Would You Walk Through Fire
    to Reach Your Dreams?
    Firewalk Canada

    And I want to know more - Who wants to live forever?

    This year, Sijo introduced a new seminar on Anti-Aging, showing how the
    actual aging process may be fundamentally changed.
    Is Sijo the first name of Jacques Patinaude? Is that why he is now "Grand Master Sijo Jacques Patinaude" in the publicity that we have detailed so far?
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    Posted On:
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    Sir I applaud you and your very indepth research. It is deeply troubling to me that a school like tis not only exists but that it is not criminal to misrepresent oneself to the public. I have unconfirmed reports that someone with a month of Jiu Jitsu was able to effectively out fight one of the top instrucotrs in Fang Shen Do.

    I think another warning flag for people would be the fact that this incredible marital art exists almost exclusively in the Ottawa valley. Is the valley such a mecca of martial arts that we Westerners are not privy to the same 'high quality' of instruction and styles?

    Shameful, truly shameful.

    TKD

    PS - If I sign up for my free month of instruction can the blond on the right teach me? (http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3579/mafiosio6ey.jpg)
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    Posted On:
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    I got to ask this question. If Patinaude only reached a basic level with Demile why did Demile feature him in a poster on Wing Chun Do? Was it a lapse in judgement or was Patinaude higher up in Demile's organization then Demile wants to admit?
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel Browning
    I got to ask this question. If Patinaude only reached a basic level with Demile why did Demile feature him in a poster on Wing Chun Do? Was it a lapse in judgement or was Patinaude higher up in Demile's organization then Demile wants to admit?
    If you are referring to the "Lin Sil Die Dar" poster, then I believe your answer is that Jacques Patenaude created the poster himself, using the Wing Chun Do name. Whether he did this with or without DeMile's knowledge/blessing I do not know.
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    Posted On:
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    Hi Samuel,

    During the period that Jacques Patinaude claimed to have become an instructor of Wing Chun Do, DeMile was not making anyone into an instructor.
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