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    Quote Originally Posted by ~SS2~
    No. It just makes you look like a fool.
    Being arrogant doesn't make you look like a fool.

    Being foolish makes you look like a fool.

    Do you need a hug, too?
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by KhorneliusPraxx
    I could us one...
    Mmmm ... hugs!
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    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

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    Anyway, chi sao, imho means "contact reflexes" it is a way of understanding your opponents intention through touch.

    I believe it would be very helpful to any grapplers who wanted to improve their game.

    If someone has already said this already, im sorry, cbf'd reading the whole 12 pages of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shillelagh
    *snicker* Yeah, imagine if that were the case.

    I know, and it is freaking sad that it is the case with many cma schools. How hard would you **** on a bjj school that did that?

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    sorry for the double post- I would have added it to my old post but there wasn't an edit option anymore.

    chi sau also has grappling applications as well, pummeling drills I used to do in hs wrestling are basically a form of push hands, only the goal is to be able to strike your opponent from that "touching position" rather than get inside position for a chest on chest throw or drop down to a single let, etc.

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    As you spent 5 years with Moy Yat, I am wondering what your ideas on the real purpose/application of chi sau are. By some of your posts I am guessing that you do not think highly of it or VT in general. do you disavow your VT training and is your Southern Chinese Boxing not VT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asian_mongrel
    Anyway, chi sao, imho means "contact reflexes" it is a way of understanding your opponents intention through touch.

    I believe it would be very helpful to any grapplers who wanted to improve their game.

    If someone has already said this already, im sorry, cbf'd reading the whole 12 pages of this thread.
    -Thanks for that tidbit of info. There's a reason thousands of years of wrestling history doesn't include this drill. It is bullshit.

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    I'm staying fit by attending a friend's MA class, and he had us do Chi Sao drills for a while. I kept messing up by lightly throwing an elbow to my "opponent's" head, and we had to start over. I guess a realistic manuever isn't the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krackie
    TK
    As you spent 5 years with Moy Yat, I am wondering what your ideas on the real purpose/application of chi sau are. By some of your posts I am guessing that you do not think highly of it or VT in general. do you disavow your VT training and is your Southern Chinese Boxing not VT?
    Refer to my first post in this thread.
    Calm down, it's only ones and zeros.

    "Your calm and professional manner of response is really draining all the fun out of this. Can you reply more like Dr. Fagbot or something? Call me some names, mention some sand in my vagina or something of the sort. You can't expect me to come up with reasonable arguments man!" -- MaverickZ

    "Tom Kagan spins in his grave and the fucking guy isn't even dead yet." -- Snake Plissken

    My Bullshido fan club threads:
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    Tom Kagan can lick my BALLS
    Tom Kagan teaches _ing __un and bigotry?
    Tom Kagan: Serious discussion here
    Lamokio asks the burning question is Tom Kagan a ***** or just cruising for some
    I'm Dave the gay Kickboxer from Manchester and I have the hots for Tom Kagan
    TOM KAGAN, OPEN ME, THE MKT ARE COMING FOR YOU ! ARE YOU MAN ENOUGH TO MEET ?
    ATTN TOM KAGAN
    World Dominator 'Kagan' in plot to lie about real Kung Fu and Martial Arts
    Tom Kagan just gave me my third negative rep in a day
    I am infatuated with Tom Kagan
    Tom Kagan is a fat balding white guy.

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