Thread: The Gun is No Match For Judo
3/20/2006 12:41am, #1
The Gun is No Match For Judo
I remember watching a Judo test and these guys plastic guns.These guys were practicing taking away plastic guns. I was like WTF? I hope this club is the only one practicing it. I looked it up and it's part of the Goshin Jutsu curriculum. Do Judo guys think they can beat someone with a gun for real? I'm sorry but this just seems silly.
3/20/2006 2:49am, #2
Originally Posted by Mr. Jones
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This part of the syllabus was conceived than 50 years, pre-WWII. I am sure guns as we have now has evolved tremendously. I am sure there were no automatic pistols, sub machine guns back then and the kata presumes very simple scenarios. As always, it is from these simple building blocks that one explore further on one's own interest.
As for neutralizing weapons, LEO and Military are the guys who are big on these issues, IMO. Also Krav Maga is the system that specialize in these scenario, mainly through LARP.
3/20/2006 8:25am, #3
semi-automatic pistols of world war 2:
history section says semi-automatic pistols were invented sometime between 1880 and 1894 when the first commercially succesfull semi-automatic pistol was introduced
fully automatic pistols 1932
and according to this they had submachine guns during WW1
i don't think there has been much evolution in guns since the sealed metallic cartridge and the automatic ability of gunsIn weightlifting, I don't think sudden, uncontrolled urination should automatically disqualify you.
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3/20/2006 8:38am, #4
GMW - The colt .45 was around before wwI.
I don't have much of an issue with gun defense. If I'm sure someone means to shoot me, and escape isn't an option, I'd prefer to have a shot at taking away their gun no matter how low percentage that might be. Very slim chance > No chance.You can't make people smarter. You can expose them to information, but your responsibility stops there.
3/20/2006 9:23am, #5
The cenarios for any gun defense is one where the gun holder hasn't made the decision to kill you, if he did he would shoot you from farther away or come close and surprisingly point a gun to your head and shoot.
now if he wants something from you and he's using the gun as a threat then you may have the possibility to do that stuff but once you have the basics down start using a paintball or a bb gun and see if you can move before he shoots :-)Martial Arts is like sex, if you over complicate it with exotic sounding names, theories and principles, you end up fucking yourself in the ass. -Ronin69
3/20/2006 9:37am, #6
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I am not familiar with gun defenses in Judo. I know of some in jujutsu (added into the curriculum).
3/20/2006 9:43am, #7
There are a couple of scenarios in which judo might win over a gun:
1) Two people are in a phone booth. One tries to pull a gun, the other knows judo.
2) Guy with plastic gun waves it menacingly in a judo dojo.
Other than that, I'll bet on the gun.Jesus loves you. I think you're an asshole.
3/20/2006 10:42am, #8Originally Posted by Mr. Jones
3/20/2006 11:45am, #9
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Goshin is embarrassing and boring as hell to train. Every year there's a seminar here and anyone who isn't into the esoteric is warned to be busy that weekend.
3/20/2006 11:28pm, #10
I have done some gun defense stuff in Judo. While I would not like to bet my life on it working, I guess it is better than nothing. If someone has a gun and you have nothing, and if you fear for your life, and cannot run away, you had better do something. I guess the only way to train gun defense in an alive manner would be to use airsoft pistols or paintball guns. Try out the different gun defenses and see what works and what is totally stupid.