Shorinji Kempo and Brazilian Jujitsu

**hitme** · Posted On: 3/24/2006 8:42am

Originally Posted by Jadran

I don't live in USA so I have no use of this information.

Judo is a great art. From my point of view it's better for an average guy then Brazilian Jujitsu. You can go study Brazilian Jujitsu if you want to go to UFC, K-1 etc. or need a supplemental art for having a lack of ground technique in your martial art (indispensable part) but if you want ground skill Judo will be fine.

Why do I need study Muai Thai to get the idea that I can elbow a guy?

So you can beat the living crap outta a guy ;)...

**Yamabushi** · Posted On: 3/24/2006 2:18pm

Originally Posted by Cato

Feel like I have to defend Mori sensei a little (he is dead), he is very famous for his juho skills in Shorinji Kempo, and in that video he is demonstrating and teaching about balance while performing juho techniques. And no, the attackers are not exactly resisting, but he is only teaching principles, not doing randori.

Here is a link with some vids which I think shows more of what Shorinji Kempo is about with the blend of both juho and goho (soft/hard) technique. Still just a demonstrations but with more force.

http://www.suginoharyu.com/html/video/ikempo.htm

Those videos highlight exactly what is wrong with Shorinji Kempo - it is a demonstration art not a fighting art. It looks good in front of an audience, and the fact that Kenshi will take a flying fall on concrete always impresses those watching, but there is no fighting heart to it.

**hitme** · Posted On: 3/24/2006 3:18pm

Correct me if I am wrong, but does the WSKO not hold competitions? I know embu has its own place, but are there not competitions?

**hitme** · Posted On: 3/24/2006 3:36pm

BTW there are not any SK people I know that do participate in any fights (K1, UFC, PRIDE, etc etc) probably due to it being a religion to some and its values.

The only person I do know of that did some SK is Yuki Kondo.

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/f...?fighterID=263

http://www.pancrase.co.jp/en/fighter...ase/kondo.html

**Yamabushi** · Posted On: 3/24/2006 3:56pm

Originally Posted by hitme

Correct me if I am wrong, but does the WSKO not hold competitions? I know embu has its own place, but are there not competitions?

It does...embu* competitions.

That should tell you everything that you need to know about Shorinji Kempo.

*For those who don't know embu is paired kata. Shorinji Kempo puts great emphasis on this with students developing their own sequences.

**hitme** · Posted On: 3/24/2006 8:26pm

Originally Posted by Yamabushi

It does...embu* competitions.

That should tell you everything that you need to know about Shorinji Kempo.

*For those who don't know embu is paired kata. Shorinji Kempo puts great emphasis on this with students developing their own sequences.

Aah, well thank you. I knew they had embu but the whole time I thought they had contact sprarring competition as well. I guess I misinterpreted.

I will ask my sempai when I see him. We were however going to start randori, just waiting on chest protector (I rather do without it, but oh well).

**Yamabushi** · Posted On: 3/25/2006 2:34pm

As far as I know WSKO did have randori competitions in the past but I believe it was similar to karate "no contact" rules.

I know that there is talk of randori competitions restarting but I don't know if it will happen. Even if it does it is unlikely to be full contact; WSKO has different priorities to that.

**Hatsumauru** · Posted On: 3/26/2006 1:55am

Originally Posted by Jadran

Why do I need study Muai Thai to get the idea that I can elbow a guy?

Elbows aside Muai Thai kicks will crush the hell outta any Karate or Tae Kwon Do kick any day of the weak. One solid Thai kick is all it might take.

**Jadran** · Posted On: 3/26/2006 3:43am

How is Muay Thai different from Karate or TKD that it makes the kicks more powerful?

**Gezere** · Posted On: 3/26/2006 8:51am

Originally Posted by Jadran

How is Muay Thai different from Karate or TKD that it makes the kicks more powerful?

The mechanics between a Karate or TKD kick vs a MT kick are very different.
Taking the Roundhous kick as a prime example
Your typical karate/tkd method

Muay Thai Roundhouse

Eventhought its a sagat.gif it illustrates what I am pointing out.

MT kicks generally don't chamber at all like the Karate/TKD kicks do. Not to get into the total pyschics of the thing, which I am sure others can articulate better than I can, it simply that the kick is generating alot more power form the start than it would if you chambered the kick.