3/18/2006 6:12am, #11
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- Mar 2006
- Zagreb, Croatia
I investigated a little bit. Shorinji Kempo is thought by Zoran Grgos, 3rd. Dan. But see this picture:
Do you see the large guy with beard in white gi?
There is another place where you can learn Shorinji Kempo. The TKD club "Iceberg Dan-gun."
You will reckognize the same large bearded guy but in blue gi. His name is Miran Škerl and according to the site is an 8th dan Shorinji Kempo.
" Japanese variant of Shaolin Yu Ch’i Chu’an known as Shorin-ji kempo, which is more well spread in Europe and US than in Croatia. In taekwondo club Iceberg Dan Gun master Miran Škerl 8. Dan teaches Shorin-ji kempo in traditional way, the way it should be teached on its very source."
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3/18/2006 8:41am, #12
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- Apr 2004
If you have the time and money to do both then do both. One is a striking art and the other is a grappling art. Both arts should compliment each other, not conflict with each other. Now if you can only take one, then choose BJJ and look for somebody within that academy who X-trains in Boxing or MT. There is a good chance you'll find someone who does. That's my 2 cents.
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3/18/2006 10:25am, #13Originally Posted by Jadran
oh man, i would be soooo bad ass by now...
*thinks back like uncle rico from napoleon dynamite...*
3/18/2006 10:48am, #14Originally Posted by Guerrero
Like punisher said, it's not that they don't work well together. Not at all. The issue is that YOU aren't working them together. You may go - hey I see an opening for a hook or a takedown, but if you aren't practicing it you're just guessing. Honestly, it took me (striker) going to a pure grappling class to really see that. I could see openings for solid shots but since I can't throw them I have no idea if they'll work, or work conditionally, or even work against me.
Taking a 'real' mma class would fix this, although like anything else in life if you only took a MMA class you wouldn't be as good at pure striking as a pure striker or as good on the ground as a pure grappler.
If you can get lucky enough to be able to work pure striking, pure grappling, and MMA then you're perfect. I cantt wait to start my mma classes. :laughing1You can't make people smarter. You can expose them to information, but your responsibility stops there.
3/18/2006 12:07pm, #15
PirateJon is the correct.
My ideal school.
Check out their course list:http://www.moderncombatives.com/clas...ults_core.html
Separate classes in striking and grapppling (specifically boxing/kickboxing and bjj) as well as MMA classes to integrate those core skills together. They also offer specialized classes to work on other aspects on your game, i.e wrestling, judo.
All this with an understanding that most people are looking to have fun, develop some real skill, and achieve some level of fitness not to pursue a career as a professional fighter.
Unfortunately for me, they're too far away for me train there. If I won the lottery, and didn't have to worry about being at work 8+ hours a day, I'd be there. Or more likely, since I'd be filthy rich, I'd build a place just like it where ever I went.
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3/18/2006 2:16pm, #16Originally Posted by Jadran
Well, it confirms my suspicion that he's not a WSKO 8th Dan. His uniform and belt are wrong - WSKO does not allow blue uniforms and 8th dans wear black belts. He also appears to be wearing a hakama in the image link to the Shorinji Kempo page. Shorinji Kempo practitioners do not wear hakama. For demonstrations and special occasions they wear Zen Buddhist monk's uniforms call hoi like these blokes.
The information given about Shorinji Kempo here is inaccurate, both about the Buddhist underpinning of Shorinji Kempo (it's Kongo Zen not Shingon) and about the presence of internal Chinese arts (Shorinji Kempo does not claim any internal influences).
I also notice that the Shorinji Kempo and Hapkido classes are held together, which makes me suspicious that this Miran Škerl guy read about Shorinji Kempo, thought "That sounds cool" and stole the name and basic ideas.Failing to become awesome since 1976
3/18/2006 2:56pm, #17
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- Mar 2006
- Zagreb, Croatia
My God! Phrost was right. There really is bullshido is martial arts. I never knew to such a degree. I finally understand the basic idea behind this site. We really should fight such bullshit like this. You just prevented that I spend money on a McDojo!
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3/18/2006 3:48pm, #18
You know what complements BJJ better than Kenpo? More BJJ.
3/18/2006 7:21pm, #19Originally Posted by Shuma-Gorath
If there was a place like Modern Combatives close enough for me to train at, I would stop training at both my kenpo and bjj schools and train there exclusively. But there's not. The only MMA schools in the area are focused towards people that want to pursue fighting as a career and I don't. Spliting time between the two schools I train at is the best I can do.
Some people may be shocked to hear it, but if someone asked me which school would be better for someone looking for some practical self-defense skills, I'd probably end up referring them to my kenpo school.
I'd estimate about 80% of the material taught at my kenpo school are things I can see myself using if I'm ever in a self-defense situation, compared to 20-30% of the stuff I've been shown at my bjj school. Now that's just the physical moves, strategies, and concepts. You still have to train in a manner that allows you to actually use the stuff if you have to.
X% of fights might end on the ground, but almost 100% of fights start on the feet and my bjj school barely addresses that. Their focus isn't self-defense or even fighting, it's teaching bjj. Almost all the classes are 100% on the ground with gi tops on. The sweeps, guard passes, and submissions I'm learning are fun to do and work against resisting opponents, but I don't think most of them transfer well to the self defense world. I just can't see myself armbarring a guy on "the street", in a bar, on a beach, or anywhere else outside a training or competition setting.
The Saturday self-defense class at my bjj school is different. It starts mostly on the feet and it's all about taking the guy down and establishing a position of control. It's also where we do our no-gi training. Primo self-defense stuff, very practical, but it's a single 2 hour class once a week that most students don't bother to go to.
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3/19/2006 7:18pm, #20
Good point Punisher.
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