3/17/2006 1:45pm, #41Originally Posted by Mjelva
Sweeps are ridiculously important. They are your friend. Learn them. Love them. Tenderly."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
3/17/2006 2:18pm, #42Originally Posted by Garbanzo Bean
3/17/2006 2:25pm, #43
You know whats funny to do when someone can-opener's you?
No kidding. It works. The old thumbs on the adams apple crush. Most of the time the can opener attempt is lame and you will both just sit there for a while. You throttling him. Him cranking you. You will have a sore neck. He won't be able to swallow easily.
I put my finger right up their nose when they can opener me. Yup. I am an asshole. They let that **** go in a hurry though. They may even cry about it. No biggie. It just goes to show. You CAN pick your friends nose.
3/17/2006 4:44pm, #44Originally Posted by Raynor
Failed triangle setup ==> scissor sweep ==> push sweep ==> armdrag + push through with scissored knee to take back . . .
Just an example. You could go butterfly or any other different open guard or transition to different submissions at pretty much all points.
I think Aesopian has mentioned making a "techniques tree" before. It can be helpful if you know a lot of techniques but aren't good at remembering to string them together."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
3/17/2006 6:03pm, #45Originally Posted by Garbanzo Bean
Generally, with me it looks something like this:
Failed triangle setup ==> passed to halfguard ==> "how the **** do I sweep from here, again?"
And then I either hold halfguard waiting for a lucky break, or let the guy pass to sidecontrol where I've actually got some game.
3/17/2006 6:08pm, #46Originally Posted by Raynor
Other than omoplata (which I often use as a sweep instead of just a sub) and kimura, my guard subs are kind of weak, though. I'd much rather sweep and then submit people from a more dominant position. Come to think of it, guard subs are probably the biggest weakness in my game right now. I really need to start trying to sub more from there. At the very least, it should make my sweeps less predictable.
I love when random discussion about grappling points out a glaring weakness in my game. This is the most excited I've been all week."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
3/17/2006 6:52pm, #47Originally Posted by Raynor
I think what's been happening lately at least, is that I've had a shift of mind. At first, I was going for submissions, but keeping sweeps to combo off of them in mind. Then I started focusing heavily on sweeps just because I feel like I am pretty good at them. After that, it's probably become really easy to half-ass a sub because I know in the back of my head that I'm probably going for a sweep anyway.
I'm being lazy, and I've been getting away with it. No more of that."No. Listen to me because I know what I'm talking about here." -- Hannibal
3/18/2006 5:58am, #48Originally Posted by Mjelva
Originally Posted by Raynor
At the moment, my main sweep of choice is the arm drag, which sets up a number of opportunities for submissions (armbar, triangle, collar choke, etc) when it fails. These things tend to go a number of ways, which is why I'm hesitant to create a personal 'techniques tree' as focusing on that may hinder the progress of my game in discovering new things.
Originally Posted by Garbanzo Bean
3/18/2006 9:44am, #49Originally Posted by Raynor
What sweeps would you work off a failed triangle, armbar, omoplata or other guard submission?
3/20/2006 1:11am, #50
Originally Posted by Mjelva
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That being said, there are a few nice combo's you can use with your armbar triangle, and omoplata attempts. The most common ones I see are
Armbar>triangle combo: often times your opponent tries to smash you to pull his arm out of an armbar- if he gets lazy while trying to escape his elbow and pulls his entire arm out from between your legs, you have the option of swinging your top leg (the one that would be over his face) back into a triangle attempt. See Jason Delucias first match with Royce Gracie for a perfect example of this transition.
Failed triangles often lead to omoplata's in my experience, simply because of the nature of the position
Omoplata's often lead to triangles when defended or sweeps if you manage to break your opponents posture down, but can not submit him (i.e. he rolls out).
To be honost, one of the best submission combo's in my opinion is your basic X choke coupled with an armbar. My collar chokes from the guard are pretty non existent to the point that I dont recall ever even attempting a basic X choke in a tournament. In the gym, however, I've had good success as using the X choke to set up the armbar. By insisting on the choke, your opponent is forced to push himself up to get posture to defend. In doing so, he gives you his arm for a possible armbar. The beauty of this submission is that once you've got good hip movement, you dont need to release the choke hold in order to switch to the armbar. This has worked quite well for me on one of the large brown belts I train with and as I said my collar chokes suck- if you've got strong grips, you might find this game to be your cup of tea.