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    Kyuk too ki = WTF Taekwondo???

    You decide. In a thread started here:http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32340

    The poster of the video was claiming that this was a Olympic style WTF fighter. DerAuslander translated the video differently so I sent a message to the guy and his reply was this:

    "Kyuk too ki" is Korean Kickboxing. Sang H. Kim, a well known WTF Tae Kwon Do Master and scientist, helps to promote it (He's the dude who stars in all those Tae Kwon Do forms and sparring strategy dvds). He's actually directed a few Kyuk Too Ki instructional videos. It's basically what WTF Tae Kwon Do practitioners graduate to (after retiring from olympic TKD, or just choosing to go the full-contact route). Kyuk too ki is basically the "Full Contact" fighting style of WTF Tae Kwon Do.

    Then I found these videos.


    http://www.competitorschoice.com/ful...t%20videos.htm

    After viewing these I think the guy is a bit disillusioned. Where as I think a lot of WTF guys do graduate to this level he makes it sound like they're one in the same. I don't see it what do you guys think/know?

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    This is one of those..."well, you're right...kinda...but it's not the whole picture" deal...

    格/격/Kyuk means a style or set standard for something.
    鬪/투/Too means to fight or to compete
    技/기/Gi means technique or skill.

    Thus, 格鬪技/격투기/Kyuktoogi...Style Competition Techniques.

    Like Sanda, it can be used as a venue for fighters of different styles to compete under rules that are relatively unbiased. Like Sanshou, it can be trained and competed in on its own merits.

    Do many Taekwondo guys graduate into Kyuktooki?

    Sure.

    Duh.

    It's Korea.

    It's like basketball. Everybody did TKD at some point growing up.

    The WTF is not associated with Kyuktooki at all. The various Kyuktooki dojang and competitions all have their own associations, such as the Hangook Chonghab Kyuktooki Yunmaeng or the Gookjae Kyuktoogi Moodo Yunmaeng. Go to a KMA website (in Korean), and you'll likely see Kyuktooki listed with Korean Muay Thai and Sanda groups...not WTF TKD.

    So, do a lot of WTF TKD dudes "graduate" into Kyuktooki?

    Yup.

    Does this mean Kyuktooki is some more advanced form of WTF TKD...nope.

    I am not sure if Shin Ooyong, the fighter in the vid, knew Taekwondo or not. He's probably had some level of experience in it, but that doesn't make him a TKD fighter anymore than the boxing I've learned makes me a boxer.

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    I think it depends on the individual fighters. If Tooki is considered a rule set and not a "style" then you could have Tooki's that are TKD and Tooki's that are boxing, and tooki's that are anything.

    Just like in San Shou you can have guys that are wing chun, tai chi, wrestlers, or that don't even know kung fu at all.

    Someone should get ahold of that Tooki fighter and ask him if he is a TKD guy.
    Last edited by Mr. Mantis; 3/14/2006 11:40am at . Reason: GET YOUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER DUDE

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    Hey hey. the post above says Edited by Mantis, but he didn't change anything!!


    "GET YOUR THOUGHTS TOGETHER DUDE" -- Mr_Mantis

    I'm using the Tooki = SanShou comparison. Lots of San Shou guys consider themselves to be Tai chi fighters, Baji fighters ect. It depends on the individual and what he has done. If your a life long TKD guy, and compete in a Tooki competition, then you are still a TKD guy even though Tooki does not equal TKD. Now if you go to a "Tooki" school and train specifically for Tooki, then you are not TKD and are just Tooki.
    Last edited by kikkoman; 3/14/2006 11:51am at .

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    I just merged your paragraph post with your one sentence post.
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    I'm actually going to compete in a kenpo tournament on the 26th and the rules are kinda similar to the Tooki rules. But I'm still a TKD guy even though i'm competing in Kenpo.

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    Did a little more research on Shin Ooyung, the shorter fighter in the match.

    He is a Kyuktooki fighter, not a Taekwondo fighter. If he were a Taekwondo fighter, that would be listed in his style field, not Kyuktooki.

    I sent a PM to Keitarosuwa, who posted the video on YouTube.

    "This is not a WTF Taekwondo figher. His name is Shin Ooyung. Any bio of him on line lists his style as solely being Kyuktooki.

    http://kr.sports.yahoo.com/fighter/p...w.html?pid=153
    http://www.gimmefive.co.kr/ver3/mma/...l?page=6&sear=

    The second bio page lists several other fighters. Some do Taekwondo and have that listed as their style.

    Shin Ooyung does Kyuktooki, not Taekwondo."

    We'll see what his response is.

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    Huh, you learn something new every day.
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    The footage is really blurry to make out the name of gym that Shin Wu Young attents for Kyuk Too Gi but I think it's...K-1 Kwang Mu Busan Nampo Gym? If that's correct, the website of gym should be this:

    http://kwangmu.com/m_page.php?ps_pname=page_profile

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    Looks like a kick ass gym.

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