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  1. Bang! is offline
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    I can't believe that this argument is still raging on. I'm talking to you, Kenneth.

    No, you cannot depend on eye-strikes of any kind to end a fight.

    Yes, they're pretty nasty, and will seriously reduce the "pokee's" s chance of beating someone who actually knows what they're doing.

    I've heard that whole argument about how it will just piss someone off applied to a whole host of things, including breaking the nose, kicking the leg and kneeing the shaft unt balls. I will certainly agree that you might be in a lot of trouble if your dirty trick fails, provided that you're a one dirty-trick pony. However, if you've got skills that are even in the same ballpark, you've just landed the TMA equivalent of the liver shot (not, of course, counting the TMA liver shot) and have a markedly improved chance of finishing from there.
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    Either Kenneth likes trolling and playing DA...or he's just an idiot.
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    Both.
    I'll go with the guys saying that eyegouges are fucking nasty, but at the same time very impractical and difficult to apply.
    But sure, if someone digs his thumb into your eye, I imagine it will hurt pretty bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Bernius
    Can you provide evidence that it wouldn't stop a trained fighter?
    No, I'm just drawing conclusions based on anatomy. Losing an eye doesn't render the rest of the body useless.

    That runs counter to Punishers second post. The one about a MMA fight being stopped due to a competitor being incapacitiated by an eye poke.
    That's an MMA fight, a contest. A foul ended the fight.

    Further. even if it doesn't stop them. there's a good chance that it's going to slow them down.
    How? Can you tell me what anatomical consequences slows a person down if they lose an eye?

    And regardless of whether it's a self defense situation or a match, that's going to be to their opponents advantage.
    If it's a match, it will end the fight and the eyegouger will lose by default. If it's a self-defense situation, it will give the eye gouger an advantage. It will not, however, garauntee a victory.

    But sticking your head in the sand and saying it will have no effect just demonstrates a willful and intentional ignorance.
    I agree. Did anyone say that the eyegouge will have no effect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerAuslander108
    Ah...more great TBK logic...or lack there of...
    Please let me know what fallacies I've committed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WunHungLo
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    at the end of 28 days later, Jim kills one of the soldiers by jamming his thumbs into the guys eye sockets



    I really hate to say it, but that movie totally owned Romero's latest zombie flick..
    The Dawn remake never gets any love. What's up with that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
    Losing an eye doesn't render the rest of the body useless.

    Intense pain and shock do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
    No, I'm just drawing conclusions based on anatomy. Losing an eye doesn't render the rest of the body useless.
    Do me a favor... find the nearest pen and drive in into your eye and then let me know how functional you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
    That's an MMA fight, a contest. A foul ended the fight.
    God... with two functional eyes you can't even read. The fighter was rendered incapactipated. A doctor ruled that he couldn't friggin see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
    How? Can you tell me what anatomical consequences slows a person down if they lose an eye?
    Again are you that fucking dogmatic or dumb? Hmm... lack of sight? Pain? Shock? Need I go on?


    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
    If it's a match, it will end the fight and the eyegouger will lose by default. If it's a self-defense situation, it will give the eye gouger an advantage. It will not, however, garauntee a victory.
    Did anyone suggest that it would?

    What you are suggesting however is the height of idiocy (a point you're pretty familiar with) to suggest that it will have no effect on the body or somehow not reduce someone effectivness.

    As usual you take dogma and blind subjective "objectivity" to an entirely new level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
    Please let me know what fallacies I've committed.
    I can't really...seeing as there is no logic to your pattern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Punisher
    On a related note, at this week's Stirkeforce MMA event in California, 6'2" 250 pound Krzysztof Soszynski was incapcitated by an inadvertent eye poke by Mike "Mac" Kyle.

    Soszynski was being out fought and out hustled by Kyle, although Kyle was amped up by fighting in front of home crowd to the point of fighting sloppy. Almost immediately before the eye poke Kyle was deducted a point for hitting Soszynski low with a knee.

    After being poked Soszynski was instantly transformed from a guy losing but still fighting to someone with no hope of defending himself. After the doctor confirmed he could not see, the fight was called a technical draw.

    Just so we are clear. I was at the fight and saw this live. When jabbed in the eye, Soszynski immediately grabbed his face and backpedaled quickly obiviously unable to defend himself. If this didn't happen in a cage and a referee wasn't there to stop the fight he would have been at his opponents mercy. The fight wasn't stopped because a foul was committed. The fight was stopped because one fighter was incapacitated and could no longer effectively defend himself.
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