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  1. ruk is offline

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    8/19/2002 3:56am


     

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    I really do wonder if there is a self-esteem problem amongst the larger grappling community.

    They're always putting down other arts. They try to "convert" the strikers with an almost religious zeal.

    What's up with that? Can't you just enjoy what you train in and leave it at that? Why does everyone else have to be WRONG?

    I personally detest katas and I'd probably never again train in an art that required me to memorize that crap.. but I realize some people DO like katas. I can respect that while understanding it isn't my cup of tea.
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    Everyone should be well-rounded, if by some freak occurence the MA community turned it's back on striking and focussed totally on grappling, I'd be arguing on behalf of striking.
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    8/19/2002 4:03am


     

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    What if I don't want to be balanced? What if my MA objectives aren't the same as yours?

    Everyone should be well-rounded, if by some freak occurence the MA community turned it's back on striking and focussed totally on grappling, I'd be arguing on behalf of striking.

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    if you are good enough at boxing that you don't think you need wrestling then go for it - but you might want to test yourself out against some wrestlers first - see if you can hande them

    >> To be bound by traditional martial art style or styles is the way of the mindless, enslaved martial artist, but to be inspired by the traditional martial art and to achieve further heights is the way of genius. - Bruce Lee
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    Posted On:
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    "What if I don't want to be balanced?"

    Then you're A) a fool and B) going to have to live with the consequences.

    "What if my MA objectives aren't the same as yours?""

    That's totally inconsequential, you're either learning MA for self-defence or you aren't. If you are learning it for self-defence you should be well-rounded.
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    8/19/2002 9:55am


     

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    I have no problem with people who take a martial art for its cultural aspects, health benefits, or as a fun hobby for themselves or their family. What I, and many others in the "grappling" and MMA community have a problem with, however, are those same people believing that what they are learning is a highly effective self-defense or fighting art.

    Hey, if you want to study a martial art because it is enjoyable, good for you. But DO NOT make the mistake of bragging to your friends and strangers about how dangerous you have become as a result of your watered down, cookie cutter, point sparring, bullshit tae kwon do and karate classes.

    Today's street wise martial artist and fighter needs to be well rounded. What you and others who take one dimensional styles or fail to crosstrain need to get over is the fact that you aren't apart of this group. People who train in the martial arts to become great fighters, whether street- or full contact professionals, are a different breed. So if you take offense to the criticism that some people throw at your approach at training, you have no one to blaim but yourself.
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    8/19/2002 10:46am


     

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    Well, Shooter just about said it all, but you can say it all with one word......CROSSTRAIN!!!

    I have been through the TKD blackbelt system but didn't realize how much I was lacking till I started training with MMA/Crosstrainers, that kicked my ass all over the place...I would train no other way now.
    Oh & Ruk, to address your question, I don't think it's a self-esteem issue, I just believe that most people that are Pure BJJ/JJ feel very strongly about what they do.

    <img src=icon_smile_blackeye.gif border=0 align=middle> Sam

    Edited by - samantha711 on August 19 2002 10:48:09
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    Ruk man, you KNOW the answer to this.

    I have no problem with people training ANYTHING but MOST of these people convince their students that they CAN defend themselves when in reality they CANT. THATS the problem.

    Selling someone a falsehood. McDojo.

    I think Aikido is a great class. If I had a kid and my wife wanted our kid to take Aikido I'd have no problem with it. I WOULD have a problem if my WIFE studied it and the instructor tried to convince her she could wrist lock a 250 lbs man off her. Its a lie.

    "Do not become entranced by impractical or useless movements. Do not be categorized as one who "Learns all there is to know about less and less until he ends up learning everything there is to know about nothing." -Ed Parker
    "All warfare is based on deception." -Sun Tzu, ca. 400BC


    Reverse punch Kiaii!!!
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    Posted On:
    8/19/2002 12:20pm


     

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    Martial Artists can be summed up in two categories

    1) The sportive, exercising kind
    2) Those that want self defence

    Group number 1 can take any art they want because they are after the fitness end of it or even the art specified end of it.
    Group number 2 would be foolish to only learn on art and then think they can take on the world.

    The Oldschool is here....and I'm going to Rell in a Randbasket!
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    8/19/2002 4:42pm


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    "Hey, if you want to study a martial art because it is enjoyable, good for you. But DO NOT make the mistake of bragging to your friends and strangers about how dangerous you have become as a result of your watered down, cookie cutter, point sparring, bullshit tae kwon do and karate classes."

    I think it's important to differentiate between point-sparring striking arts and those that actually teach some real locks, grappling, and self-defense techniques.

    Just because someone calls the class "MMA" or "UFC" doesn't mean it's effective, either.
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