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  1. Psycho Dad is online now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr._Tzun_Tzu
    Groin shotts and knee shots are pretty important, but anyway....

    Elbows to neck, temple, and spine often forbidden
    Wasn't forbidden under Vale Tudo

    Large gloves get in the way
    Not required under Vale Tudo either.

    We wear shoes on the street
    Kicking with shoes allowed in PrideFC. Shoes also allowed in Vale Tudo as well.

    mouthpiece protects jaw joint from straight attacks
    Not as much as you're trying to imply. Mouthpiece mostly for protecting teeth/inside lips. Not so much for keeping jaw from being knocked around.

    WT doesn't practice set up fighting (sparring/sport style) but responces to threats and real senarios (mugging, rape, robbery, ect...). This can be fixed with specific training for the ring, but is a disadvantage to people not trained in more of the "in and out" moving around a ring enviornment.
    Once again, all about how "the ring" holds back true Wing Chun, sheesh, it's almost like hearing people complain about "The Man."

    The main problem is the intent. WT trains with the intent of using it to maime and damage the enemy sinister. Sport fighting is something else.
    Yeah, well old school Japanese Jujitsu used to have the same mentality and look what happened to it.
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    B) I could not beat a Judoka with Aikido. I could only beat an Aikidoka with Aikido. I thought that was understook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wax
    Anti striking wouldn't seem any less silly, which is why I rarely use the phrase anti-grappling. Another reason I want to know why other WCers do use it.

    And any school which maintains their traditional art is keeping the circle jerk going. We are all aware that we arn't being taught every facet of fighting so you can stop clinging to your fantasy that all WCers are clueless zealots.
    You are being clueless because you're talking about how your school is "training" to deal with grappling and ground situations but you dont' have any qualified instructors, that's the issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Newb1 View Post

    B) I could not beat a Judoka with Aikido. I could only beat an Aikidoka with Aikido. I thought that was understook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kagan
    Because real boxers don't give a **** they have no ground game. The lack of it seems to bother a lot of other people, though.

    Because a boxer will admit that if he goes to ground he's fucked. If a boxer is able to punch me in the head, I'M fucked.
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    The thing I often wonder about strikers vs grapplers is... why do most strikers not attack while the grappler's coming for the takedown, like this guy here did? Maybe a knee to the head if he's coming in straight. Grapplers are often all open when doing takedown...
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    the grappler really tryed to take the wing chuner down, yeah right, first off any one who thinks that isnt a demonstration is retarded, fight a real grappler with your chain punching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EMP
    The thing I often wonder about strikers vs grapplers is... why do most strikers not attack while the grappler's coming for the takedown, like this guy here did? Maybe a knee to the head if he's coming in straight. Grapplers are often all open when doing takedown...

    A real takedown happens at the clinch range a lot of the time. The big barreling-ass takedowns you see aren't good takedowns.
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.
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    Not Dumb!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reis
    Wasn't forbidden under Vale Tudo
    Not required under Vale Tudo either.
    Kicking with shoes allowed in PrideFC. Shoes also allowed in Vale Tudo as well.
    Not as much as you're trying to imply. Mouthpiece mostly for protecting teeth/inside lips. Not so much for keeping jaw from being knocked around.
    fine.
    'cept I live in California. (as in we could get in legal trouble when we hurt our fellow Californians, so sport combat has a few more restrictions then in Brazil..)But I am not gonna argue the merits of your questions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reis
    Once again, all about how "the ring" holds back true Wing Chun, sheesh, it's almost like hearing people complain about "The Man."
    The ring holds back alot of things, like stabing someone with a hidden shank, or ,choking eachother to death, its not a killing field. I am sure a wrestler or "grappler" could kill just as easy as anything else, but Sports are a different arrangement. Wing et al. has not been playing the sports game very long.

    Quote Originally Posted by Reis
    Yeah, well old school Japanese Jujitsu used to have the same mentality and look what happened to it.
    ?It turned into a sport rolling around on the ground with no striking and no shoes allowed?
    I don't get what your saying here.....

    "If anything is gained from this, it should be you both wanting to get better so you can make up for how crappy you are now." KidSpatula about the Sirc vs DTT Gong Sau Event
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
    A real takedown happens at the clinch range a lot of the time.
    Or off a punch. If you're not in punching range you shouldn't be shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr._Tzun_Tzu
    Quote Originally Posted by Reis
    Once again, all about how "the ring" holds back true Wing Chun, sheesh, it's almost like hearing people complain about "The Man."
    The ring holds back alot of things, like stabing someone with a hidden shank, or ,choking eachother to death, its not a killing field. I am sure a wrestler or "grappler" could kill just as easy as anything else, but Sports are a different arrangement. Wing et al. has not been playing the sports game very long.
    1) WC = stabing(sic!) someone with a hidden shank?
    2) WC has chokes?
    3) you don't need to choke eachother to death, choking them 'till he passes out is really enough, or you know, you could tap right before you pass out, because you know you're already defeated. hell, what about tapping out before he breaks your arm, that'd be neat! that way you can fight/train again pretty soon, and you still know who would have won.

    why am i talking about grappling while discussing _ing _un? _O
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr._Tzun_Tzu
    fWing et al. has not been playing the sports game very long.

    While it might be fair to say that it has forgotten and/or abandoned its history in this regard, why do you insist on spouting such bunk just because you can't figure out how to shut off your anti-process filter?
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