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    terminators are cooler anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    terminators are cooler anyway
    x2, no one wants to watch a movie about a snot covered robot tank imo
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    It was purely theoretical anyway.
    Besides, the whole thing was a desperation move anyway. The terminators only sent back their endoskeleton because they had already lost.
    The resistance had to send a warrior back in a hurry, since if they did not the shockwaves of past alteration would have destroyed them all.
    The sequels are the product of paralell realities created by the shifting of time, hence the inconsistant technology levels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neildo
    Oh man, if we weren't there yet, we are now.
    LOL!

    Also, why is there some argument going on about how the resistance could have "smuggled" a plasma rifle back. Does no one remember (besides Anna of course) that they had JUST taken the complex over and the T-800 was already sent back? They didn't have time to sit around and earn their "living tissue gun case" merit badge. They sent Kyle back because that was all they had time to do (don't ask me to explain why things didn't instantly change the moment the T-800 was sent back with no one to stop it...perhaps it would have just failed all along whether Kyle was there or not).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote
    Besides, the whole thing was a desperation move anyway. The terminators only sent back their endoskeleton because they had already lost.
    The resistance had to send a warrior back in a hurry, since if they did not the shockwaves of past alteration would have destroyed them all.
    The sequels are the product of paralell realities created by the shifting of time, hence the inconsistant technology levels.
    One could assume that each of the Terminators sent back were last ditch efforts by Skynet to kill John Conner. And that each attempt consequentially altered Conner's life in some way, changing major details, and via butterfly effect extending the time it takes for the humans to win the war. His contact with Katherine Brewster and her father is created by him staying with his adopted family in T2 (up until the arrival of the T-1000). He probably wouldn't have even been in the same area with Katherine if Sarah Conner wasn't declared insane due to the first Terminator, and John wasn't made a ward of the state. Which is why each Terminator is more advanced than the last, there is more time gained to develop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar Wong
    (don't ask me to explain why things didn't instantly change the moment the T-800 was sent back with no one to stop it...perhaps it would have just failed all along whether Kyle was there or not).
    My theory is parallel time displacement. If it took the T-800 12 hours to kill Sarah Conners uninterrupted by extra-temporal forces, then the effects would not be felt on the timestream until the deed was done 12 hours later. If they teleported the Terminator into Sarah's living room while she was home, then the resistance would have been in a jam.

    For scholorly sources, see Back to the Future 1-3 and TimeCop.
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    it's kind of goofy that, by the first terminator, the resistance had already won but skynet send a terminator back in time as a last ditch effort... then sent a more advanced terminator, then another one... I guess Reese overestimated how much they were winning the war after all
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    That godzilla pic would be perfect had Godzilla been shooting that radiactive ray out of his mouth and Anna stopping it with her arm.
    Unfortunatly due to public saftey issues and that the ring was only rented the rules had to be altered to include atomic chi breath, along with eye gouging and peach stealing, as forbidden techniques.

    Shame on you LO, you should know that Godzillas TMA techniques are too de4dly and only trained for the Str33t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kidspatula
    it's kind of goofy that, by the first terminator, the resistance had already won but skynet send a terminator back in time as a last ditch effort... then sent a more advanced terminator, then another one... I guess Reese overestimated how much they were winning the war after all
    My favourite reading of the films is that there are at least five timelines at play. The first, or prime, timeline is featured in T1, where Skynet is in the **** and its T800 gambit is its last hope. The Terminator can't go back in time, as this would completely bugger spacetime, so presumably Skynet was already badly damaged and not able to compute as well as before and couldn't tell the difference between true spacetime and inter-dimensional travel.

    Anyway, the T800 goes to the second timeline which exists contemporaneously with the prime timeline but is running 45 or so years behind, as does Reece. T800 tries to kill Ms. Connor, Reece saves then shags Ms. Connor, Reece dies, T800 gets crushed, Sarah gets up the duff. The end.

    Leap forward 15 years, still in timeline two, John Connor has just sprouted hair on his bollocks and his mum is in the nuthouse. Timeline two is well on its way to ending up like timeline one as it is using what's left of the T800 from T1 to create its own Skynet. But timeline three, which is like timeline one but with Skynet still able to fight back (as the sequence at the start of T2 shows) now intervenes. As such, it's now able to create T1000s, of which it is able to send one back in time. Again, we must presume Skynet, while not on its last legs, is malfunctioning as nothing it can do can change what's happening in its own timeline.

    Still, off the T1000 goes, into timeline two, with John Connor and co. thinking it's going back in time too. So they get their hands on a T800, rewire it and send it back. To cut a long story short, the remains of the first T800 is destroyed as is the T1000 and the second T800. Sarah Connor learns to stop being a loonie while John survives with an altogether less bleak future to look forward to. We may therefore close the curtain at this point as all the timelines so far end happily - Skynet is defeated in one way or another, and John Connor in his numerous incarnations saves the day.

    (BTW, Sarah's dream of a nuclear attack in T2 may not just be a dream but a vision from another timeline where she really does get fried, a la Donnie Darko. This could be from the Sarah Connor of timeline One - we don't see her in the future of T1 after all, except as a photo. Sarah in timeline two is also reunited with Reece in the dream - could this be an echo from yet another timeline?)

    Anyway, T3 gives us another two timelines to obsess over. In timeline four there yet another Skynet, this time even more persistent, which has managed to send back another even harder Terminator. It has also managed to kill John Connor this time, but that's a phyrric victory as it is still on the ropes and due to be defeated. Both Skynet and the resistance are also as unaware of the real nature of time travel as they are elsewhere, and so T3 peddles the (erroneous) belief that the future is pre-ordained.

    But since timeline five is different from the other timelines, in that Skynet is diffused over the internet rather than a centralised server, it's safe to assume that this is just another alternate reality in which Sarah Connor has died. It is akin to timeline two, but bleaker and without the happy resolution we saw at the end of T2. Plus T3 introduces John Connor's wife, a concept that has never been mentioned in any of the other timelines before, as Connor has always been portrayed as a bit of a bachelor (who loves his old mum, bless!). Anyway, timeline four ends with Skynet getting its motherboard kicked in YET AGAIN and timeline five gets nuked but with the Connors still in one piece...

    If there is a sequel, we will find out how all the timelines pan out. Since four of the five John Connors are still alive, it would be interesting to have them all combine their talents together in a sort of Doctor Who-style teamup. Another possibility is that the various Skynets realise they can't change time but can jump between timelines, meaning the Skynets could team up too. Add in any number of Arnies, T1000s and T-Xs, and you'd have an interesting finale to this series.
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