Thread: Open the damn guard
3/07/2006 6:21pm, #11Originally Posted by bad credit
3/07/2006 6:27pm, #12
I don't use closed guard at all. In fact, I feel uncomfortable holding a closed guard. I'd much rather have the guy on my hooks or have an open guard. My friend, Big Dave, who is a 300lb black belt, has a great closed guard and is very good with collar chokes, armbars and sweeps from there. Unfortunately, he also has a great open guard so if you do manage to open his guard there's still a lot to contend with.
For most people though, I see it as stalling because they're too scared to open up and give the guy a chance. The problem with that approach though is that you never get any good with your open guard. Personally, I like having the guy move around and I'm very comfortable with the guy trying to pass standing or on his knees as I can use my De La Riva, Open Guard, Butterfly Guard, Spider Guard and X-Guard all well and don't really mind which one I'm using. I think I'd rather train myself so that I'm comfortable everywhere on the ground, and not just when the guy is in my closed guard.
3/07/2006 6:58pm, #13Originally Posted by Meager
That being said, when teaching a seminar for Law Enforcement, I think the instructor had a very valid point. Crack heads and meth'd out junkies aren't going to play fair, and a police officer needs to be aware of such tricks because biting/gouging/poking techniques are easy and known by everyone.
Please don't take this as a "Sport vs Street" comment. Even though the police officer was foiled because he had a "Sport Grappling" mentality and fell prey to a "Dirty Trick", the truth is that his vulnerability could probably be fixed relatively quickly by a simple adjustment to his already developed sport game. If the officer with the "Unbeatable Mount" simply put some effort into compressing his opponent's face into the ground or employed a baton across the throat, then his opponent would probably have a much more difficult time biting his nipple.
3/07/2006 7:16pm, #14Originally Posted by JohnnySShut the hell up and train.
3/07/2006 9:12pm, #15
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- Dec 2005
- CMA,Muay Thai ,Yudo,TKD
I'll open for sweeps, but other than that I keep it closed, I'm not comfortable working with it open too much yet. In the few competitions I've been to slamming your opponent is not allowed so a lot of people, especially at beginner levels, won't open it even if the guy stands up. But from a self defense perspective if the guy starts to stand up you've got to open it or risk being slammed into the pavement.
3/08/2006 1:22am, #16Originally Posted by jnp
It's a real shame, as I find open guard to be a lot more "fun" to play.
3/08/2006 1:40am, #17Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg
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3/08/2006 2:45pm, #18
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- Aug 2004
If I close my guard at all, it is just to secure some kind of control over my opponent, be it sleeves, lapel, etc. Once I have that I open my guard and go for whatever sweep (or occasionally submission) I see that is available. I definetly look for a sweep over a submission from the guard because it's easier to be on top.
If I'm holding a closed guard, it means that I can't control my opponent very well and am basically holding on for dear life.
3/08/2006 3:51pm, #19
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- Apr 2005
- Seattle (Ballard), WA
- FMA, Jujutsu/Judo/SAMBO
Same as Zing, for me. Close up just to secure control, especially if he's moving around a lot. Once I'm oriented, open up, and go to work for a sweep. I am aware that I need to work on my submissions from the bottom, but my hold downs are solid, hence my preferences for sweeps.
3/08/2006 4:40pm, #20Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
If I lay flat and "hold guard for dear life" I start to feel like a sloth waiting to get passed or submitted....got to keep moving is my take on it.