3/09/2006 6:39am, #101
probably as long as aikidoka keep coming out of the woodwork in a futile effort to make their peers and art look less full of ****.
Also, "will schutt" the poster needs to have his identity confirmed somehow, or STFU and GTFH, since he's speaking as a given person and him being that person has been question.
Mr. Jones: This is the **** that happens to you when you train aikido/name yourself after coutning crows songs. Take a note.
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3/09/2006 8:52am, #102Originally Posted by JohnnyCache
Because something is happening here
But you don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?
--Ballad Of a Thin Man
Nah, too rich in irony.
Or, after the Beatles' mention of the Dylan character:
The eagle picks my eye,
The worm he licks my bone,
I feel so suicidal,
Just like Dylan's Mr. Jones
Closer; it's full of teen-like angst.
Anyway, I might well have stepped off and not looked back too.
Still, I certainly judge a school or teacher (in part) by the students -- not just their skill, but their training attitude too. The school's atmosphere, if you will, comes from the top down.
And while I don't know/care what "really" happened in this instance -- can't be bothered reading the offending posts -- I can imagine a situation in which a student would be asked to leave, based on behavior outside the school.
Say you have a student, and you find out that he's using skills learned at your school in order to beat up on others. (Let's even take your potential legal liability out of the equation, just for the sake of argument.) Would you not ask him to reform or leave?
Say that the student isn't actually fighting outside the school, but it's brought to your attention that he's bullying/threatening others. Would you not feel obliged to address the situation? Can you not imagine punting a student who's too much of an incorrigable asshole?
Again, I'm not saying that Mr. Jones is that hypothetical incorrigable asshole (even if his credibility has been impeached somewhat). I have no stake in this battle. But at least the school cares about something more than money.* Give them that much.
It's just an Anti-McDojo.
*Apart from whatever prepayment/debiting drama exists . . . it sometimes takes a while to get those auto-debit/rollover things straightened out.
3/09/2006 10:11am, #103
I love when people reenforce my point about lying.
And while I don't know/care what "really" happened in this instance --can't be bothered reading the offending posts -- I can imagine a situation in which a student would be asked to leave, based on behavior outside the school.
Wait let me get this straight. You didn't read any posts but, you know about the alleged extra debit added to his fathers card.
Then you pull this story out of your ass about hypothetical bullying.
Fine he should be kicked out.
Why not talk about this alleged story beforehand?
Why imply he wasn't part of your org. but part of the school? His teacher is a Jiyushinkai 4th Dan who taught Mr. Jones.
So, how can Mr. Jones never be a member after 4 month?.
Why say he didn't write apology letters then play word games and say he was asked not ordered?
3/09/2006 11:59am, #104Originally Posted by It is Fake??
Originally Posted by It is Fake??
I did not mean to suggest that any of my hypothetical scenarios had anything to do with the facts in this case. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.
Again, I don't know any of the people involved. I am not an instructor. I do not play one on TV. But putting myself in the position of an instructor, I can imagine a (hypothetical!) student whom I'd deem too much of an asshole to teach.
What would get him to that "asshole" status? Well, reasonable people could differ on that. There's a whole sliding scale of objectionable behavior:
1/ Physical violence toward others
2/ Physical intimidation of others
4/ Disrespecting the instructor/school
5/ Disrespecting another instructor/school
6/ Spitting on the sidewalk
If you were an instructor, you might tolerate misbehavior up to Level 2; another might be inclined to boot out a student who'd only reached Level 4. Everyone draws his own line in the sand.
In the real world, schools gotta pay the rent, and teachers gotta eat. But they've got to sleep, too.
In fact, everyone needs to find the balance between what lets him eat, and what lets him sleep at night.
Sorry for prolonging the agony, wagamichi!
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3/09/2006 12:08pm, #105Originally Posted by billy sol hurok
Well if this is really Will all this has been proven. The only thing changed was the age. Like that never happens on the internet.
All your eat, sleep, rent, has nothing to do with an instructor kicking out a student for searching for the truth. Notice there is nothing about bullying, stealing, fighting etc... Everything is vague except the age factor.
3/09/2006 2:38pm, #106
Originally Posted by Mr. Jones
- Join Date
- Feb 2006
- Okinawan Karate
If so you may have trouble stopping them without closing the checking account. I have 4 students who were at another dojo that did this before they came to train with me. One had to close the checking account. One was having his account hit WHILE HE WAS IN IRAQ for a year! Another was too scared about what it would do to his credit so he kept paying for 2 years after he left the school. If this is EFC or some other company like it you will have to get your former instructor to stop the payments being withdrawn from your account.
I will suggest you have your father do this, not because I don't think you are old enough or anything like that, but because it is your father's money. He may have to threaten to get a lawyer.
3/09/2006 2:42pm, #107
- Join Date
- Mar 2006
- Dallas, TX
- Jiyushinkai Aikibudo
From the forum rules:
If you are full of ****, pretending to be something you're not, or inflating your experience/credentials, you should expect to be banned.
No one has tried contacting me outside the forum to verify my identity.
Regarding the organization vs. dojo membership, it is pretty simple. A new student joins the dojo and pays monthly dues to the dojo. After receiving a certain rank, the student fills out a registration and pays yearly dues to the organization. There is no requirement for a new student to join the organization before that.
There was an error with the EFT, but it has been resolved and we are trying to contact Mario's father to get him his refund.
3/09/2006 4:42pm, #108Originally Posted by Dagon Akujin
I realize that this is probably a matter of interpretation but in my opinion I thought that Schutt was posturing and trying to act sublime and above it all in his posts. Perhaps you disagree based on your reading. This is one of those things we'll have to agree to disagree on since it is a matter of interpretation.
Lastly, whether or not Mr. Jones is "being immature" is actually beside the point, since the specific (false) accusation being made against him was that he didn't take responsiblity for his actions, which he undeniably did. Making Mr. Jones look immature was just part of Schutt's posturing game so that he could come off as being the wise sensei guiding the foolish wayward student on the internet. But, ultimately, the point is that Schutt lied about Mr. Jones "not taking responsibility" for something. And why would he lie about that? To belittle Mr. Jones and make himself look better; to try and distance himself as much as possible from what Mr. Jones posted.Best Vietnam War music video I've ever seen put together by a vet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDY8raKsdfg
3/09/2006 4:57pm, #109Originally Posted by Will Schutt
Oh I am sure someone will come by and bann you shortly. Lurk more, post less.
3/09/2006 5:08pm, #110Originally Posted by Will Schutt
If we say "real Will" that is to leave ourselves an out. You know because "everyone follows rules" on the internet.
Funny how Mr. Jones asked you to email him right after you posted for proof. Here is your response:
Originally Posted by Will Schutt
Originally Posted by Wounded Ronin
You aren't the only one with this interpretation.
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