What happened to Krotty?

**AAAhmed46** · Posted On: 3/04/2006 10:44pm

Hey....muay thai let some boxing sink into it self; and it took the art to another level!

**Lights Out** · Posted On: 3/04/2006 10:49pm

Kyokushin has some MT influence, so it´s not a big deal.

**AAAhmed46** · Posted On: 3/04/2006 11:21pm

I think karate has a chance of surviving without putting in muay thai or boxing into it(though that would improve the arts alot) if they just do lots of hard sparring and pad work.

**Lights Out** · Posted On: 3/04/2006 11:26pm

That would lead to putting some boxing, at least, in it.

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 3/05/2006 8:20am

Originally Posted by Pw0ned

Adding MT isn't evolving with the times. Improving and changing "krotty" itself will make it evolve with the times.

Yes it is. Things don't evolve out a vacuum, specially Martial Arts.

Dude, you do Judo, thus you should know that Judo evolved out of several branches of JJ, plus some here and there of Western Wrestling. As times changed, Kano added, refine, and changed stuff. Same with Kyokushin; hell, even the same with TKD with its roundhouse kicks (as per the article you referenced in that other thread:)

Originally Posted by Pw0ned

For a good pic:
http://www.raynerslanetkd.com/ARTICL...rningkick.html

Evolution is adding things to something from somewhere else, is changing OR dropping things from something due to external pressures to something else, it is staying the same and either endure like the horseshoe crab or dissapear into oblivion.

Judo is not the same now as it was decades ago, and neither BJJ, KK, MT or any other martial arts... crap, or ANY ART for that matter. If this particular school is adding MT to their krotty game and making it more effective, why not, and why not call keep it under the same name, krotty or some other hocus-pocus name? Why not?

It may not be even adding stuff to their krotty. They may just be borrowing sparring and conditioning ideas from MT. Or they may just be keeping the krotty stuff that works... who knows. But I seriously doubt that in this particular school (or in any other school going through the same) is not evolving, experimenting and playing around with the different disciplines they have.

So yes, adding MT (either fighting techniques or sparring/conditioning techniques) to krotty (or to any other striking art) is evolving. Whether that works or not, that's another matter, but it is evolving.

**Odacon** · Posted On: 3/05/2006 11:22am

Mashing stuff that you saw in a K-1 fight on to your training is not evolving. Make sure the people training you know their stuff, otherwise you'll end up with the striker's equivalent of crappling (crapstriking?).

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 3/05/2006 11:46am

Originally Posted by odacon

Mashing stuff that you saw in a K-1 fight on to your training is not evolving. Make sure the people training you know their stuff, otherwise you'll end up with the striker's equivalent of crappling (crapstriking?).

Absolutely true. Not sure if you are replying to the thread in general or to my post regarding Khral's school in specific.

If it's the former, then you are right, just as there is such a thing as crappling, there is such a thing as crapstriking - I would call it "scratching" cuz it has a nice ring to it.

If you are referring to my post regarding that school that has krotty, MT and grappling classes, well, I'm not going to that school, but I saw Roger Khral at the AFC 15 - he is putting his mouth and money on MMA tourneys. In his last bout (the one I saw at the AFC), he neatly KO'ed his opponent - with a possibility that I may be wrong, I would take that as indication that this particular school knows what its doing and/or is moving in the right direction.

Schools like that are, in my opinion, where MA natural selection will have an effect on krotty. Change? Dissapear? Only time will say.

**Odacon** · Posted On: 3/05/2006 11:57am

I'm just replying in general, if you're MA is going to evolve it has to have a source from which to learn. And that source has to be qualified.

**AAAhmed46** · Posted On: 3/05/2006 1:37pm

Good points elnyka

But at the same time; there is also finding alternative use for older techniques to help krotty keep up.

Chambering for instance; i have yet to use it for actually striking and generating power.

But i noticed, it makes a great way to grab a guy and bring up forward, or yourself forward; even better when you use your other arm with it and you can turn it into a take down.

**Hannibal** · Posted On: 3/05/2006 10:05pm

Alot of people put **** on karate. WHat they fail to understand is that there are differnt styles. Kyokushin Karate and it's offshoots are what karate is meant to be.

No nonsense,full contact fighting with harsh training. Thats what its all about.
Real fighters understand this which is why they go towards your harder contact styles like Kyokushin or kickboxing/Muay Thai.

Eventually it will get to the point where people will recognise the weaker styles for what they are. Sub standard martial arts which award rank to people with no fighting ability. Its starting already and it will only get bigger.