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  1. broken fingers is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lu Tze
    Forgive my ignorance, but different from what?
    I don't know, he just described how boxers do it though.
    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lu Tze
    Forgive my ignorance, but different from what?
    That makes 3 of us..
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    I think he meant different from the way Ken would do it.
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    I find this astounding. I never thought that I'd see a thread where numerous bullshido members are defending forms/katas and traditional CMA's against the typical, "cut the bullshit, and just train how you fight" type poster a la TBKen.

    There are numerous forms in Kempo, and I've gone at it with a few friends of mine who train in various other martial arts as well as Kempo on this topic. The general consensus is that beyond basic conditioning that could be attained through other more effective means, and preserving the "art", forms tend to be rather useless...at least from a fighting perspective. Alot of the techniques and movements derived from a form that serve a practical purpose, could easily be drilled through more direct means.

    When I teach forms and katas I make it a strong point, that what they are working moreso than raw fighting ability, is rather a sense of focus and conditioning through the motions.

    I don't exactly see eye to eye with Ken on martial arts in general, but I think he's making a fair criticism in regards to CMA's lack of ringworthy strikes and stances.
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    No one said forms are for fighting. Please quote where this was said. Or did you just read the last page?


    Everyone said the punch and kicks are from TMA. The conditioning (hence horse stance) is for conditioning. Low stances for stretching.

    Damn you need to read an entire thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KempoFist
    There are numerous forms in Kempo, and I've gone at it with a few friends of mine who train in various other martial arts as well as Kempo on this topic. The general consensus is that beyond basic conditioning that could be attained through other more effective means, and preserving the "art", forms tend to be rather useless...at least from a fighting perspective. Alot of the techniques and movements derived from a form that serve a practical purpose, could easily be drilled through more direct means.

    When I teach forms and katas I make it a strong point, that what they are working moreso than raw fighting ability, is rather a sense of focus and conditioning through the motions.

    So, you have just admitted you are a Mcdojo teacher. Interesting.
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    I did read the entire thread. I never said that anyone here was saying that forms are for fighting. My point is that the reasons for doing TMA's tend to have quicker results through training in other means.

    For example, horse stance training could be instead done with various kinds of squats. Or as someone said before, the techniques of the style are within the form. Well why not just train the practical techniques in a fashion where your body will develop real muscle memory that you can use in actual combat, rather than just practicing something that's fighting-like.

    I coming from the perspective of someone in an eclectic TMA, who had a RBSD-minded instructor. I find it fascinating to hear others opinions on traditional training methods, considering within my circle of students and fighters it seems to be the general consensus that there are more efficient ways of doing things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by It is Fake??
    So, you have just admitted you are a Mcdojo teacher. Interesting.
    Now where did you pull that from?
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