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Yes, it's better than not grappling
No, they should be doing 'real' grappling
no, grappling is wrong anyway
Thread: Crappling – a good or bad trend
3/01/2006 8:14pm, #11
Real grappling shouldn't be too hard to find, so I think there's no excuse for not cross-training.--
3/01/2006 8:41pm, #12
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I am a 1/4 Apache and a little Cherokee (buit who ain't) and I must take this white boy's ponytail. It is a moral imperative. I must have it as a trophy of battle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bom:
3/01/2006 9:13pm, #13Originally Posted by Raynor
3/01/2006 9:41pm, #14Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
This coupled, with Garbanzo's "too deadly" comment, I feel are accurate.
While in college I studied Kenpo, Ed Parker's system, and I remember one "kata" (forgive me for even partaking) and it was called a Binding Kata. It consisted of transitioning through various wrist and arm locks and ended on the ground after an "osoto gari - ish" takedown.
We were told to only perform the "kata" on middle to upper ranks never on lower ranks because IT WAS TOO DANGEROUS.
Now, I don't think the "kata" was necessarily crappling, well, OK, the wrist locks were more Aikido than Wally Jay and the uke was completely non resisting, so maybe it was crappling, but seeing as the techniques were "outside of the style" so to say, we were hit with the "to deadly" mantra so that the "kata" was not practiced regularly and when it was it was practiced on an uke who was essentially as resisting as cooked spagetti.
Switching to JuiJitsu (Japanese / American) years ago I soon realized that what we were told in Kenpo was too deadly is simply part of your submission repertoire and is used on resisting opponents daily.
Cross training is essential if you are going to compete in something other than musical weapon forms and point (puke) sparring. But, crappling and slap fighting as demonstrated in those vids is just retarded.
If your gonna spend the time on the mat learning something, find a good teacher and learn how to grapple, not crapple.
3/01/2006 10:30pm, #15
"But in all seriousness, no, they should be doing real grappling taught by real instructors." Garbonza Bean
My fear with a statement like this, and I'm not picking on you at all, is that it leads to the elitist attitude that seems to be all to prevalent in a large number of BJJ schools. I've actually heard, "If you don't do (insert famous Brazilian family name here) Jiu Jitsu, you're wasting your time!"
For me its a fine line to walk between 'certifying' instructors and placing faith in people to find 'good' (perhaps not certified but good nonetheless) instruction. I think it is very comendable what BJJ has done in the strick control of 'certifying instructors' but as the issue regarding questionable black belts comes up more and more frequently, perhaps there should be a better way of identifying skill from crappling.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't take piano lessons from someone who'd never played a piano. I won't take 'fighting' lessons from someone who hasn't fought.
Just my two cents.
3/01/2006 10:33pm, #16
I can't believe this is even a question. Do not excuse mediocre striking OR grappling in any form. Suffer not the crappler to live.
3/01/2006 10:40pm, #17Originally Posted by TKD Black Belt
3/01/2006 11:08pm, #18
Originally Posted by TKD Black Belt
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being "certified" in BJJ means you've beaten the best around in open grappling/MMA/whatever events and can tap the **** out of anyone who trains under you.
Then again you do TKD....
3/01/2006 11:17pm, #19Originally Posted by TKD Black Belt
Have you read some of the Aikido threads? I think it takes more ego to say I'm to deadly I can't spar. Or, my favorite, if I wasn't so humble I'd blah blah blah..
Personally, the elitist attitude keeps much of the BS out of grappling arts.
3/01/2006 11:23pm, #20Originally Posted by Poop Loops