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    yea, well my grandpa's grandpa had a gun fight against a samurai.
    I think Huo Yuan Jia had some encounters with some euro swordsmen, but every time you read some thing about him, the next thing says something totally different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HwangJangLee
    yea, well my grandpa's grandpa had a gun fight against a samurai.
    I think Huo Yuan Jia had some encounters with some euro swordsmen, but every time you read some thing about him, the next thing says something totally different.
    Hence this thread about DOCUMENTED encounters.

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    See: Magellan Got pwned by some Filipino fighters back in the day. Documented in the sense that they recorded the number of deaths on Magellans side and what weapons were primarily used. However, I dont think it ever got past poisoned missle weapons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by losttrak
    See: Magellan Got pwned by some Filipino fighters back in the day. Documented in the sense that they recorded the number of deaths on Magellans side and what weapons were primarily used. However, I dont think it ever got past poisoned missle weapons.
    John Clements wrote interesting article considering this. http://www.thearma.org/essays/influence.htm
    If FMA were so great, how come they were conquered? Not meaning to start flamewar here, just an observation, as I have studied FMA myself.:eusa_ange

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    Quote Originally Posted by losttrak
    See: Magellan Got pwned by some Filipino fighters back in the day. Documented in the sense that they recorded the number of deaths on Magellans side and what weapons were primarily used. However, I dont think it ever got past poisoned missle weapons.
    Magellan had about fifty men and Lapu-Lapu had over a thousand in that "battle" - the only surprising thing is that the Spanish lasted as long as they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberduck
    John Clements wrote interesting article considering this. http://www.thearma.org/essays/influence.htm
    If FMA were so great, how come they were conquered? Not meaning to start flamewar here, just an observation, as I have studied FMA myself.:eusa_ange
    I reckon the practical Spanish influence on FMA was not Renaissance rapier and dagger fencing, but rather 1800s/1900s military saber fencing. The segno pattern (numbered angles of attack, etc.) is ubiquitous in European fencing and unique to the FMA in Asia, suggesting a direct transmission; also, thousands of Filipinos were exposed to Spanish saber fencing at military academies, etc. during this period. I'm not necessarily saying that much FMA *technique* comes from saber, but fencing training systems do seem to have had a big influence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DdlR
    I reckon the practical Spanish influence on FMA was not Renaissance rapier and dagger fencing, but rather 1800s/1900s military saber fencing. The segno pattern (numbered angles of attack, etc.) is ubiquitous in European fencing and unique to the FMA in Asia, suggesting a direct transmission; also, thousands of Filipinos were exposed to Spanish saber fencing at military academies, etc. during this period. I'm not necessarily saying that much FMA *technique* comes from saber, but fencing training systems do seem to have had a big influence.
    True. Some think espada y daga might be related to rapier and dagger, but I doubt it.

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    WTF?

    You mean Last Samurai was not a true story? How can that be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubberduck
    If FMA were so great, how come they were conquered? Not meaning to start flamewar here, just an observation, as I have studied FMA myself.:eusa_ange
    Lack of a unified government. The europeans were notorious for turning one indigenous group against another see also the conquest of the new world/africa/asia ect. While FMA is a viable combat system it is only as good as the economic and military force that back it in that order. So we come to the point were you see that FMA=good but is trumped by Europeans=bastards.

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