3/01/2006 1:49pm, #31Originally Posted by Reese
3/01/2006 2:04pm, #32Originally Posted by Niceguy
Even if you look at UFC 1, it still took Royce generally at least 1 min to dispatch his opponents, and he dominated everybody, and was a jui-jitsu black belt at the time. That is way to long with two guys trying to beat the crap out you.
The gun and knife disarms I am also skeptical of, as they are both exteremly deadly weapons.
I feel that the best advice for multiple opponents, guns and knives is to arm yourself or run.
What are you guys/gals thoughts on guns, knife, and multiple opponent training?
Reason I ask is that my school focuses on mma competitions, not specifically "self defense", but I feel that the are essentially the same thing, with a few exceptions. But we dont train guns, knives, or multiple opponents, am I missing something because of this? I personally dont feel I am but hey, you never know.Kungfoolss, Scourge of the theory-based stylists, Most Feared man at Bullshido.com, and the Preeminent Force in the martial arts political arena
3/01/2006 2:05pm, #33Originally Posted by Hurt
I agree with EVERYONE in this thread. I've seen people get stabbed before - in a high school fight, no less. If someone has a gun or a knife, your best bet is to get the **** out or appease them in some way so you don't get stabbed/shot. HOWEVER, in Dave's situation, his knowledge helped him get out of a hairy situation. Sure I have a bias, I admitted it - but learning martial arts will help you chances a lot, assuming you get in an inescapable situation. I agree with the people here who say the exact, coreographed sequence of moves that you learn from a McDojo against a knife attack may not work as you expect it to - but it could possibly give you more of a fighing chance when you may have had none previously. Why not at least respect it for what it is? It's basic self defense that has the chance to help you save your own ass.
3/01/2006 2:05pm, #34
The multiple opponents thing is a fantasy that looks good in movies, period.
Knife sparring and unarmed v. knife sparring has pretty much shown me that I'd best run from unarmed v. knife if I have the option. Only the most n00b opponents will let you control their knife arm for even a second, let alone long enough to disarm them. I've wtfpwned a couple of very inept people but even first timers start attacking your grabbing/trapping/controlling arm/hand after you make a couple of grab attempts. Run or distract them and run.
Guns? Good luck. If you're cornered or they're trying to abduct you, fighting is better than certain death. Running? Well, there's this saying "rush a gun, run from a knife". The idea being that a knife is extremely short range but a gun will get you shot in the back so you might as well attempt to control the gun. I remember seeing some FBI stats on street shootings a couple of years ago that indicated that most people couldn't shoot for dick under stressful conditions, with huge miss rates even under 10 ft. So assuming I'm remembering it correctly, I still don't know if I'd want to move in to attempt to control a gun at close range and get point-blanked or sprint my ass off around a corner and get shot in the back. The odds seem terrible either way.
3/01/2006 3:13pm, #35
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This is how a real knife fight goes:
"However, like a lot of beginning students (a.k.a. muggers, robbers, untrained people on the street) you attacked me wrong."
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3/01/2006 3:20pm, #36
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Best knife defense: a bigger knife:google:
Number of bottles of beer downed by me and my girlfriend within a half hour while playing the Channel 7 "how many times will they say 'snow' game" during the "Blizzard of '06": 3.5 each.
3/01/2006 6:50pm, #37
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Jim Carey was right about one thing though... The way he showed the woman to perform her knife attacks; that really seems to be the way many instructors believe attacks to occur.
3/03/2006 5:10am, #38
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As far as multiple attackers, i'd like to think the training would be more geared to escape. Such as how to avoid getting penned in, and bum rushed. IMO, anyone selling you on some Chuck Norris style group ass beatings is selling snake oil.
Regarding gun/knife disarms, i think it would be irresponsible for anyone to teach these techniques as a first line of defense. Give him the keys/wallet and carry on. I do, however, think these tecniques should be taught so people at least have a chance when presented with a lose/lose situation. Such as "get in the car". As we all know, travel to a secondary crime scene=you are a dead mofo. If you know disarm techs, at least you have a shot at getting out alive. Done :beatdead:
3/03/2006 10:50am, #39
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Multiple attackers can be done, if your fighting skill is far beyond that of your opponents, your cardio is far beyond that of your opponents, and you are far more aggressive than they are.
Notice I say can be done, not that you will always be successful.