Awarding points for knee-on-belly

**Shawarma** · Posted On: 2/27/2006 6:42pm

At a recent BJJ tournament I was at, one of the referees refused to award points for knee-on-belly, saying it was a useless position for striking and should be used as a transitional position only, if at all. I think the ref was brown or black belt. I am unsure if he got a talking to and was forced to award points for it though.

Has anyone ever experienced anything similar with refs or competition rules that did not award points for knee-on-belly?

**Yrkoon9** · Posted On: 2/27/2006 6:51pm

Not in BJJ.

They call the points correctly or we protest. Or, if you are Rickson, throw a waterbottle.

**JohnnyS** · Posted On: 2/27/2006 6:53pm

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Vitor Belfort KTFO'd Jon Hess from Knee-ride.

**Shuma-Gorath** · Posted On: 2/27/2006 6:57pm

The point values fluctuate because we have no real governing body in this country, but the position is always awarded at least two points.

**JohnnyS** · Posted On: 2/27/2006 6:59pm

Promoters should stick with the CBJJ rules to make it easier for everyone.

**Red Elvis** · Posted On: 2/27/2006 7:38pm

Originally Posted by Shawarma

saying it was a useless position for striking and should be used as a transitional position only, if at all.?

Bullshit. I use knee on the belly all the time and while striking. As for the competition aspect, the ref should use the standard rule set.

***Cassius*** · Posted On: 2/27/2006 10:20pm

Originally Posted by JohnnyS

Promoters should stick with the CBJJ rules to make it easier for everyone.

I think as long as they make the rules very clear and don't have vigilante refs, switching a few things up can be fun now and then. I did a BJJ tourney that allowed neck cranks and a few other different subs awhile back, and it was pretty fun. Nobody got hurt (well, someone in the invite tourney did, but that's because she refused to tap to a heel hook slapped on by the 2005 ADCC women's 3rd place finisher), and it gave me some more stuff to play with, so that was cool.

But sticking to the CBJJ rules for positioning, at least, is probably a good idea

**RoninPimp** · Posted On: 2/27/2006 10:55pm

Knee on belly is a great position to strike from. That ref was an idiot.

***Cassius*** · Posted On: 2/28/2006 12:01am

Originally Posted by RoninPimp

Knee on belly is a great position to strike from. That ref was an idiot.

Oh yeah. That too.

**Shawarma** · Posted On: 2/28/2006 9:35am

Far's I know, he was legit. He did certainly have students that did OK as well as the mandatory brazillian accent, so I wonder what made him go rogue on that particular decision.