Posted On:2/27/2006 5:33pm
Posted On:2/27/2006 5:42pm
Originally Posted by KageKaze
I always though the uses of the Guard and fighting from your back.
ninjas need to stfu about grappling
Posted On:2/27/2006 5:47pm
Frank Shamrock told me that in his mind, his style of sub wrestling was about putting tactical pressure on your opponent, to outpace him until you found your opening, while BJJ is a more defensive art where you look to lure your opponent into making the mistake for you.
Posted On:2/27/2006 5:49pm
BJJ emphasizes position over submission. Mainly so that BJJ can strike effectively. This is the essence of BJJ. The competitive aspect of BJJ might hide this fact but the reality is never completely obscured.
This is a very interesting way to put it. I've never had it explained like that. Would you elaborate?
Posted On:2/27/2006 6:04pm
What do you want me to elaborate on?
BJJ emphasizes position over submission. You don't see BJJ guys go for an ankle lock while being mounted. Which is something a submission guy would try. BJJ guys would go for a reversal and then work a guard pass to get into sidecontrol and eventually mount.
The objective in BJJ is to improve your position until you can strike effectively and your opponent cannot. It is then that a submission is inevitable as the helpless opponent will simply turn his back.
Look at the knee-on-belly position. Although we give it 2pts in the competitive setting it really isn't worth a **** submission wise. Side control provides many more sub settings. But knee on belly can drop some bombs. Let us not not forget that en route to 2pts.
I have many examples. But some of the purest striking in BJJ you see comes from the old school Vale Tudo people. Rickson, Carlson students, etc. They aren't looking to score points on your ass. They are looking to drop bombs on your face and make you turn over.
Posted On:2/27/2006 6:38pm
This is a question I asked elsewhere but was derailed by an ignorant kung fu guy who didn't understand what the words he used meant.
Was there submission wrestling around in the US prior to bjj's arival?
Sure there was the mythical catch but it's too rare to really consider.
Most of the sub wrestling schools I've come across are either bjj derived (e.g. 10th planet) or take a lot from and came about after bjj (e.g. Jackson's).
Posted On:2/27/2006 6:52pm
Revisionist history shows us that everyone wants to claim they were doing it before the UFC. However, I know of none before BJJ.
Posted On:2/27/2006 6:55pm
Thank you sir.
Posted On:2/27/2006 6:59pm
Don't know if that falls under "submission wrestling" but wasn't Mr. Lebell and other progressive judo players like him quite the submission pimps long before the Gracies even set foot on US soil?
Posted On:2/27/2006 7:01pm
Style: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
Frank Shamrock is wrong.
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