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  1. Fearless Ukemi is offline
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    Quote Originally Posted by jnp
    A thousand silly points for Aikido based on this young Aikidoka's comment alone.
    A lot of young aikidoka and aikdo frauds make statements like that, so much that it is sickening. What aikido and Seagal nutriders either don't realize or won't admit is that aikido is not a fighting system. Assuming you are lucky enough to find a good dojo, Aikido is a specialist skill that can improve your game as a fighter and nothing more. It won't help you much if you can't fight already which is why serious aikidoka should crosstrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TehDeadlyDimMak
    It's not like Jason Delucia or Carlos Newton use their Aikido in a fight...

    Jason refers to himself as a Kung Fu guy and Carlos refers to himself as a Jujitsu guy.

    Personally I feel Aikido is slightly sillier.
    Actually, Jason has been referring to himself as an Aikido guy for the past few years at least. But Sherdog hasn't updated his FightFinder entry, so it still says Kung Fu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoJu - Joe
    _ing_un has the chain punch or Chi Sao, from everything I have seen these are punches designed to land five inches from your target with no power, thus making it easy for people to slap away thus proving how amazing they are.
    Chi Sao is not chain punching, it is a drill meaning 'sticky hands'. At it's best, it can be sorta like sparring, but with the weird rule that you must keep at least one forearm in contact with the opponent, and without just 'wrestling' them. It's like a drill for a narrow specialised subset of close in striking and locking with artificial restrictions that stop it turning into grappling.

    _ing_un throws seem to depend a lot on people being knocked out by their deadly elbow strikes to the spine or one punch knock out techniques
    Wing Chun relies on you getting really close to them whilst still striking and attempting armlocks and 'sweep' takedowns with the lower body whilst largely pretending that double or single-leg takedowns and wrestling-like clinching doesn't exist.

    Take down defence

    _ing_un has the anti-grapple, enough said about that.
    Not all WC places teach the anti-grapple, but Wing Chun doesn't have good defences against wrestling-like 'natural' takedowns, and eye-gouges etc.. are part of the 'traditional' curriculum. At best, a WC instructor will recommend cross training, at worst you will get t3h anti-grapple.

    Conclusion: Sorry but even though Aikido has itís roots in Jiu-Jitsu and should know better the ground techniques are just plain silly. _ing_un at least makes an attempt to deal with somewhat realistic attacks on the ground (although in a stupid way). One silly point for Aikido
    Wing Chun has no ground game at all, can't comment on Aikido.

    Uniforms

    _ing_un has the flared track pants and sneaker combo which looks like they are disciples waiting for the Hale-Bop commit to come and get them.
    Doesn't apply across schools. Many have no uniform (as with many other CMA schools).

    Sparring / Randori

    _ing_un emphasis that hitting without strength and that speed and accuracy are more important. The Chi Sao or whatever they call their sparring type practice involves being slapped at blinding speed, which could cause some nasty marks and even a bruise over time.

    Aikido has the deadly fist joust, but if you donít throw yourself properly you mighty hurt yourself

    Conclusion: Neither one deals with realistic resistant attack and both are equally silly. One point each.
    Yes. Both are marginal with regards to pressure testing.

    UFC / MMA test

    Aikido has Jason Deluca and Carlos Newton who has studied it somewhat http://mixedmartialartsexpo.com/popups/page14.htm Newton also studied Kung Fu and Tai Chi so I am iffy as to how applicable he is but for now I am grouping him into Aikido.

    _ing_un: While I can find some examples of JKD I donít consider this to be _ing_un and I canít find any well known MMA fighters with an _ing_un background. Feel free to correct me anyone.

    Conclusion: One silly point for _ing_un (although just barely over Aikido)

    So far thatís 6 silly point for _ing_un and 5 silly points for Aikido.
    Thomas Lamont has fought in MMA and still teaches Wing Chun. I think it's about equal. Both are marginally represented in MMA (isolated examples exist of both arts, and the person involved always has extensive training in another art which is aimed at the same range, i.e. Thomas Lamont also boxes, Carlos Newton also has JJJ training and De Lucia also has Pancrase training) with neither art being widely or seriously considered for study by the bulk of MMA gyms.
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    So Cullion, in your opinion which one is sillier?
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    I haven't trained in Aikido. The best sparring video I've seen on these boards from Aikido was better than the best Wing Chun video I've seen on these boards, so I'd have to give the win to Aikido. That's not exactly an endorsement though.
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    I realize this thread is probably all in jest, so perhaps this isn't the best place to say this...but what the hey, could some of you at least get facts correct when bashing WC? The OP gives us two punches with WC: chain punches and chi-sao. Chi sao isn't even a punch. It's just a drill. We throw punches from chi sao just as we do during the course of normal sparring. And we do have punches other than chain punches: hooks, lifting punches (uppercuts really), and straight jabs among them.

    Anyway, carry on. :)
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    Isn't part of the Wing Chun philosophy to use the closest weapon to the target and take the shortest route to said target? Why would Wing Chun use a Hook punch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungkorn Dam

    (A.)Isn't part of the Wing Chun philosophy to use the closest weapon to the target and take the shortest route to said target?


    (B.)Why would Wing Chun use a Hook punch?
    (1.) Yeah .... umm sorta but I thought that was more Bruce Lee

    (2.) Becouse you can't fight using chain punching ... and a few WC'ers can throw hands
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungkorn Dam
    Isn't part of the Wing Chun philosophy to use the closest weapon to the target and take the shortest route to said target? Why would Wing Chun use a Hook punch?
    I think that's usually correct. I can just tell you I've been hit with them enough during sparring to know we use them. :)
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