2/24/2006 5:58am, #1
On another thread we are discussing anti-grapple. Obviously there is much back and forth.
Originally Posted by Shu2jack
Here is what I said
You have just defined anti-grapple perfectly. An individual using specific techniques from a grappling art without credit or training.
2/24/2006 6:30am, #2
I think of the anti-grapple as an amorphous, absolute evil, kind of like Satan's shadow.
2/24/2006 6:39am, #3
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From what I posted in that other thread later......
I wasn't so much concerned with "anti-grappling". The issue I am curious about is Taking certain segments of an art (actually learning them from a legit instructor), giving credit to where you learned it, and calling it ground fighting vs. Calling something BJJ, or JJJ, but not actually teaching the complete system.
It would the right thing to do to let students know where you learned what you are teaching, but could you honestly call it BJJ/JJJ/what ever? Calling it such might imply that you are teaching the system/art, which you are not.
You could still credit where you learned the grappling from, but would it be totally fair to just call what you are teaching "ground fighting"? It seems to be more accurate.
2/24/2006 7:05am, #4Originally Posted by Shu2jack
Not all certs are equal. Its like saying a yoga instructor can teach TKD or along those lines.
This should not be done. IF THAT IS THE CASE THEN THAT INSTRUCTOR IS LYING. Period. They deserve to be decertified, crucified, sodomized, etc for doing it.
2/24/2006 7:17am, #5
I don't think anit-grappling is badly taught grappling. It is the belief that a striker can use kicks and punches to stop a grapplers take downs. They often try and prove this by having another striker try to perform grappling take downs who knows nothing about them and thinks they are some sort of grossly telegraphed tackle where the grapplers head is exposed.
2/24/2006 7:30am, #6
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Well, anti-grappling is an oxymoronic term the way WChunners use it. Syntactically and semantically, anti-grappling could not contain any grappling in it. What WChunners are proposing in reality is non-grappling techinques to counter a grappler. That's how it should be called.
Now, I don't think such a concept is an oxymoron, but for someone to pull that off either he has to be a super-duper striking demi-god that does not need any knowledge of grappling to pull it off, or it has to be a competent striker with competent knowledge of grappling. So far, the "anti-grappling" we've seen constitutes neither.Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.
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2/24/2006 9:43am, #7
If a martial artist (lets use a TKDer as an example, since a TKDer started this mess) learns to grapple from a qualified instructor and he passes on some of this knowledge to TKD students, what should you call it?
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If a TKD'er learned REAL grappling from a QUALIFIED instructor, he would quickly come to the conclusion that TKD is total ****, and begin training in a decent style.
2/24/2006 10:48am, #8Originally Posted by It is Fake??
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2/24/2006 11:00am, #9
The real question is... Should one even begin to define ANTI-grappling?
Why aren't grapplers trying to invent anti-striking? Because the Anti-anything idea is moronic?
I think so.More human than human is our motto.
2/24/2006 11:59am, #10Originally Posted by Canuckyokushin
I know it is hard to define. I guess just watching as someone says it is okay to teach poor grappling, sometimes hidden within forms is, wrong.