Thread: Re: Heel hooks
2/26/2006 2:24pm, #41
Thank you, sir, but I was more thinking of the difference between Achilles Tendon Hold and Straight Ankle Lock, just so I can see if ICY and I are on the same page.
And just for laughs and winces, here's Frank Shamrock hurting some poor guy with the heelhook: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...99&q=heel+hook
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2/26/2006 2:28pm, #42
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Oh. There was an article in Grappling magazine a few months ago about leg locks which went over the differences. I'll see if I can find it online...
2/26/2006 2:30pm, #43Originally Posted by I Choke You
I like to do the achilles with that reverse grip, so if you're taking the lock on your right side, you slip your left arm under their leg and grab your right bicep, putting your right hand on top on their shin, very very tight grip. That is some brutal pain right there.
2/26/2006 5:04pm, #44
The achilles and straight ankle lock look basically the same.
With one you're trying to submit them via forearm to the achilles tendon.
With the other, you're trying to submit them by bending their foot downward so far that tendons or bones break.
To go for the ankle, instead of the achilles tendon, you move your forearm lower, closer to their ankle and lean back so that their foot bends down.
2/26/2006 6:09pm, #45
Same side heel hook beats ankle lock.
Cross-body (inside) heel hook beats same-side heel hook (and virtually everything else).
Cross-body heel hooks are the most damaging heel hooks, ICY I don't know why you think differently but you must have been taught wrong.
2/26/2006 6:50pm, #46Originally Posted by Camus
2/26/2006 8:15pm, #47
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I don't tap to anything because it hurts.But a couple people I roll with can still tap me on what you guys are calling an achillies lock.Not because my achillies is in pain, or being damaged.But because if I let it go and go and go... and they are good, so they have my leg entwined enough that I cannot get out... it sure starts to feel like my shin bone is bending.I tell myself it's only my imagination, but when a strong man knows how to secure it perfectly and use the force of his opunching his hips forward(basically the power he'd use in a deadlift) I believe he can shatter my shin bone.Though it's never happened, so I can;t be sure.But I once felt as some of you do, I felt that way about a bicep crush too.One fractured forearm bone later and now I'm not so sure...I distinguish between an achillies crush and a shinlock.I could define them, but we all got our own definitions.I don't need to add to the confusion.
PS I thought I knew leglocks when I did BJJ.Later I trained sambo and straight submission grappling.I then knew I didn;t know leglocks when I did BJJ.Because my teacher didn't.Though that was years ago.Nowadays BJJers tend to know legs much better than then.
2/26/2006 8:35pm, #48Cross-body heel hooks are the most damaging heel hooks, ICY I don't know why you think differently but you must have been taught wrong.
I don't tap to anything because it hurts.But a couple people I roll with can still tap me on what you guys are calling an achillies lock.Not because my achillies is in pain, or being damaged.But because if I let it go and go and go... and they are good, so they have my leg entwined enough that I cannot get out... it sure starts to feel like my shin bone is bending.
2/26/2006 11:38pm, #49
The last time I tapped to an achilles lock the guy applying it was nearly seven feet tall, which granted him enough leverage to break ****. He could also do a thrusting choke inside guard from so far away it negated the armbar counter.
2/27/2006 11:46am, #50
Originally Posted by Raynor
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