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    AA wins with straight ankle lock. It would be almost an impossibility to land a heelhook and apply the right kind of rotational force while laying on Sylvia's foot unless there was some serious rolling around going on at the time. Unfortunately for any arguement, there was not any rolling around going on. AA grabbed that leg, put an ankle lock on Sylvia, and then laid over on top of that foot.

    Sylvia, of course, remembered the feeling of having his arm snapped and quickly tapped.

    He COULD have transitioned that straight ankle lock into an inverted (inside) heel hook if he was not getting the right pressure. But that would have required him to turn towards his left shoulder and not his right.

    I believe Omega once posted the mathematical comparison between ankle lock, crossed ankle lock, heel hook, and inverted (inside) heel hook. Beg him and he may grace you with that wisdom again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yrkoon9
    AA wins with straight ankle lock. It would be almost an impossibility to land a heelhook and apply the right kind of rotational force while laying on Sylvia's foot unless there was some serious rolling around going on at the time. Unfortunately for any arguement, there was not any rolling around going on. AA grabbed that leg, put an ankle lock on Sylvia, and then laid over on top of that foot.

    Sylvia, of course, remembered the feeling of having his arm snapped and quickly tapped.

    He COULD have transitioned that straight ankle lock into an inverted (inside) heel hook if he was not getting the right pressure. But that would have required him to turn towards his left shoulder and not his right.

    I believe Omega once posted the mathematical comparison between ankle lock, crossed ankle lock, heel hook, and inverted (inside) heel hook. Beg him and he may grace you with that wisdom again.
    I think when Arlovski hooks on to one of your limbs the smart thing to do is tap ASAP and get on withj your life

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    Quick question:

    What is the technical difference between a straight and a twisting ankle lock?

    I am under the impression that a straight ankle lock has the two people facing each other and the leg that is being attacked is straightened (the knee is not bent much). With a twisting, the two people are on one side with the leg that's being attacked is bent, like in the picture above. Is this right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoJu - Joe
    I think when Arlovski hooks on to one of your limbs the smart thing to do is tap ASAP and get on withj your life
    Straight ankle locks really aren't that d3adly. An easy escape is just to push your foot through, scrape his ankle off and roll on top. Sylvia obviously sucks at sub escapes though.

    I've also heard from several people that if you dont tap, the damage is relatively minimal, though I can't say for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jitsuman
    I've also heard from several people that if you dont tap, the damage is relatively minimal, though I can't say for sure.
    Those people are full of ****. A properly done straight ankle lock will either break the bones of your foot or rupture your achilles tendon, depending on grip.

    If you're not willing to take my word for it - Royler Gracie has several sub victories with the straight ankle lock in ADCC. If the damage was minimal, would people good enough to get into ADCC be tapping to it? If the damage was minimal, would someone as good as Royler be going for it?

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    Osiris, you are very wrong.

    There's the achilles' hold, which is minimal damage and mostly reliant on your opponent being unwilling to endure pain.

    Then there's the straight ankle lock that will break your ankle/foot, it is based on joint destruction, not pain.

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    Could Sir please deign to post photos of the two techniques so we can compare?

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    Straight ankle lock

    http://bjj.org/techniques/erintoughill/t2-4/4e.jpg

    Heel hook

    http://img1.sports.krs.yahoo.com/fig...3114154162.jpg

    Too lazy to learn how to post pictures. Just go to google and do an image search (that's what I did).

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