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  1. Epicurus is offline

    I'm grindin' 'till I'm tired...

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    2/05/2007 1:38am


     Style: Judo. Some BJJ/Kickboxing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel Browning
    I use my real name here, but Oliver evidently didn't pick up on that small detail. :)
    And here I thought you just picked the awesome forum handle "Samuel Browning" out of the blue. I thought your name would be Jenni Stevens or something, and you just admired the famous Jazz Musician (Those caps are for you, Dr. X) Samuel Browning.

    P.S: Mr. Olivier is a superlative redirecter of uncomfortable conversations, but if one keeps shaking one's head and focusing on kids with black belts, contracts, tiered martial arts, "life skills", etc. one gets through the gauntlet of obfuscation unscathed.

    I too can throw the big words around!
    "[Fighting for Points] is doubtless very pretty, and invariably draws applause, but preferences should always be given to blows that do some business, to good straight hits that do something toward finishing the fight.
    A man who has carefully trained for brilliant tapping play, will find himself considerably out of it in case he is called upon to do any real work."
    -A.J. Newton, Boxing.
  2. Doctor X is offline
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    ARGUMENTUM AD LATINUM DICTIONAIRUM

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    Posted On:
    2/05/2007 1:53am

    Bullshido Newbie
     Style: Argumenta ad Rem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless
    Did you miss the part where I don't think you're a martial artist? You're a marketing person. And from what I've seen a fairly good one. But not a martial artist.
    No! He is a Martial Artist.

    --J.D.

    P.S. Epicurus: You have done well, my son!
    Last edited by Doctor X; 2/05/2007 1:55am at .
  3. El-Wood is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/05/2007 5:34am


     Style: Kyokushin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omega the Merciless
    For the record everybody, I think we should thank Stephen Oliver for coming on here and wasting our time. I'm glad that none of my initial views on him were misplaced. I was thinking that I was going to have to apologize to him.

    I agree, thanks stephen, and Omega you were correct, I apologize for ever doubting you... :chewy:
  4. OnceLost is offline
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    Here's looking at you, squid.

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    Posted On:
    2/05/2007 8:15am

    Join us... or die
     Style: Ke?po, MMA ultra-newb

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antifa
    I dont care if he tea-bagged you half to death in front of your old lady.
    Best line of the thread...

    Clearly you view UFC and the like to be the pinnacle of martial arts training.
    I don't think anyone views the UFC as 'training.' I think a large number of people here view the UFC as one of the more realistic testing grounds for fighters (should that be Fighters?) to prove themselves and their MA. If the rule in the style is that no one will 'test' the art, them claiming it's effective self defense is merely a statement of faith (or, perhaps, a sales pitch). Personally, I'm not going to risk my well-being (and that of my family) out of faith. That's like buying a car that the salesman SAYS is terribly safe when no one has done any crash tests on the thing...

    Is UFC good for the marketing of my schools?

    Generally I believe that it is not.
    I fixed that for you.
    "Reason is a choice. Wishes and whims are not facts, nor are they a means to discovering them. Reason is our only way to grasping reality -- it's our basic tool of survival. We are free to evade the effort of thinking, to reject reason, but we are not free to avoid the penalty of the abyss we refuse to see."
    - Terry Goodkind, "Faith of the Fallen"
  5. biomed190 is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/05/2007 12:30pm


     Style: JKD BJJ JUDO MUY THAI

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    Mr. Oliver I think you hate the UFC because it exposes that what you are teaching would be worthless in a real fight. A great many people who come to your school are probably there for self defense and if they knew you weren't providing what they are paying for they would leave.
  6. StephenOliver is offline

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    Posted On:
    9/20/2007 12:16am


     Style: Amer. TKD, Kickboxing

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    You guys might enjoy this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEn3TjWDjoE
  7. StephenOliver is offline

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    Posted On:
    9/20/2007 12:17am


     Style: Amer. TKD, Kickboxing

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  8. BackFistMonkey is online now
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    Posted On:
    9/20/2007 6:58am

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     Style: Recovery-Fu

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenOliver
    You are right I did enjoy that pile of theoretical crap . The second video was mighty long on words and short on action .

    Nothing in either video was worth mentioning or show casing .

    What exactly is your point ? If it was to draw attention to the LARPing and show how you can break anything down into smaller packets to sell and market , you succeeded .
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    Nuke a unborn gay whale for Christ.
    “I don't mean to sound bitter, cold, or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out.”
    BILL HICKS,
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  9. datdamnmachine is offline
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    Jiu Jitsu - Sometimes passing just isn't an option.

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    Posted On:
    9/20/2007 10:50am

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     Style: BJJ, Unauthorized Judo

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Since you posted that video, what exactly was it meant to prove, answer, counter, etc?
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