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  1. cam4276 is offline

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    What a douchebag. He acts like those scient*logy nuts.

    Whats your crime....

    Who the **** does he think he is.

    We definately cant let this go now, EVER!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel Browning View Post
    I think Hargrave thinks it supports his claim of "cyberstalking" that's why he brought it up in his reply.
    He (Carter) is hoping it might go to the issue of the character of the person (Joe). The irony being that the person he is attacking has already indeed shown character traits in responding to Carter's attack, just not the traits that would suggest what Carter had in mind. Vis a vis this ploy of dirt digging has already backfired in Carter's face partially. In fact, Carter's response says a lot more about Carter's negative character traits than any percieved deficiencies in Joe's character.... unless he grew up in a trapist monastery that is.
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    Joe: I have only been on this forum for a little bit, but it is clear that it is a close knit and very tight group. That you would post personal details about things that you are not proud of shows are lucky we all are.

    What does it matter about what you did in the past? I am an Aussie, and I think that a lot of the legal system in the US is not quite so good. It does not sound like you were responsible for the fight anyway.

    What kind of sick, twisted asshole attempts to blackmail someone who sent him an email asking for something he is permitted by LAW to do?

    I agree with Cy, you did the right thing posting his email, now he has lost what he saw as his trump card, his only option is to stew silently pending investigation.
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    Joe, interesting that he knew those details about you, is it sort of common knowledge, or did he go digging? Seems odd for someone to go pull those details out over a simple email. Also who the hell is Mr. Moranto??
    "Chance favours only the prepared mind."

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    I assume he went digging. It is (not sure about this) probably allowed to find out if someone has any felonies or misdemenours to their name under some Freedom of Information act. Like previously mentioned, some trailer park detective work and Hargrave thinks he can shut someone up with a bit of dirt from years ago.
  6. Lu Tze is offline

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    Well Joe, I for one want nothing to do with you after learning of your nefarious past!

    So you had a small case of the Columbian flu, not exactly a big deal.

    And you beat up some guys? Hargrave is probably just jealous.
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    [quote=Lu Tze;2158122]Well Joe, I for one want nothing to do with you after learning of your nefarious past!

    So you had a small case of the Columbian flu, not exactly a big deal.

    And you beat up some guys? Hargrave is probably just jealous.[/quote]


    ha!

    Actually isn't there a patch for a 2on1 situation where you come out on top? Maybe two smilie faces with XX for eyes... something... Phrost?
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    Quote Originally Posted by honesty View Post
    Joe, interesting that he knew those details about you, is it sort of common knowledge, or did he go digging? Seems odd for someone to go pull those details out over a simple email. Also who the hell is Mr. Moranto??
    It wasn't hard. My email had my name in parentheses (stupid on my part - will change that setting for this type of correspondence in the future).

    With a name, it is no problem to pull legal records in Oklahoma. It is available on the state site.

    My wife received a phone call that day from a supposed former USMC buddy. It was most likely someone, possible Carter himself, confirming my identity. I knew no one by that name. Unfortunaltey, I was not home at the time.

    There was no Mr. Moranto - that was his way of getting me to respond the second time.

    It would be good if the future focus stays on Carter Hargrave.

    Carter Hargrave - do you care to respond?

    You are invited to join the discussion. It will not be considered cyberstalking.
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    Where did he get that training?

    Googling "Carter Hargrave training" for the first 333 hits, passing over the seemingly endless self promoting websites the Grand Master has set up, yields the below hits.

    Also passed over were the sickening number of places he has promoted himself as first 3 time Grand Poopah.

    The final two links posted are pure gold, revealing the huckster's (in my opinion) main purpose in the martial arts. To sell video and sell rank.

    I have to wonder if the reason for so many websites is to get more promotion or dilute the critics. Perhaps some of both.

    Listed as having around 101 domains:

    http://whois.domaintools.com/ditdajow.org

    Discussed briefly at:

    http://www.swisscorner.com/wiki.php?...te_Instructors

    For a laugh:

    http://mattleecrue.livejournal.com/70811.html

    I can find nothing on wiki regarding Carter Hargrave when searching JKD or Kempo/Kenpo.



    Doug Frazier offering Kempo home study courses. Certified by Hargrave but with Tracy linage:

    http://www.arnis.org/certification/r...es_frazier.htm

    Some opinions on:

    http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Man and his son received yellow belt in a couple of months. He discusses that Hargrave has blended his own Kempo:

    http://kenpotalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8216&page=2


    "9RingsSensei
    11-15-2004, 03:57 PM
    I am currently training with Carter Hargrave's original JKD series. I really enjoy them, they are practical and explained well. Anyone else have any experience, or opinion of his series? I am currently at level 5, of 12. I plan to test for black sash at the WJKDF headquarters under Hargrave peresonally once I complete the 12 videos. I have viewd the Gary Dill Tapes, and they seemed Ok, different, but some good and some bad. well, replys are welcome.":

    http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/arc...hp/t-2211.html

    An MMA fighter who video trains with Carter:

    http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Sifu Lamar M Davis II says (your momma would approve of this one):

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/10355...6313387/Who+is...

    and on belt/sashes on BBM forum (scroll down to third post in red):

    http://blackbeltmag.com/cgi-bin/foru...int;f=15;t=159

    And finally for the night, a poll on selling rank from way back in 2003 on MartialTalk. Hargrave makes it starting on page two, but here it starts to show:

    http://www.martialtalk.com/forum/sho...t=6041&page=12

    posted by James Kovacich who received his 5th Degree BB in 2002. An early customer apparently:

    http://www.scientificstreetfighting.com/
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    Great find.
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