Carter Hargrave

**Lu Tze** · Posted On: 2/21/2006 11:11pm

Originally Posted by Tulsa Snake Oil LLC

As the highest ranking Karate teacher in Tulsa, the Professor takes pride and gives personal attention in the education of each student. We have long since outgrown the tournaments that appeared in the mid 1950's, and focused upon the true meaning and application of the arts which have nothing to do with modern "competition".

The original versions of martial arts have no tournament aspects. One of our schools entered a tournament invited a few years back and our green belt students defeated some black belt students form other schools. In all fairness to the black belts involved, they were not trained to deal with Kempo defense techniques, and many they had never seen before. We were honorable and very respectful participants who won 95% of all bouts, but just couldn't adapt to limitations. We were politely asked not to return. We politely agreed, and left all the trophies.

Christ. Do people actually fall for this bullsh... no don't tell me, I'm already depressed enough.

**Ken** · Posted On: 2/23/2006 12:36pm

Originally Posted by BryanORourke

He is just a big fat running joke in OK - look him up on www.okfightnews.com/forums and you'll get some great laughs.

After scanning some of the posts there in that forum, I think it's strong evidence of why siblings and cousins should never marry.

:tongue11: :5obsessed

**BryanORourke** · Posted On: 2/28/2006 2:43pm

lol - come on Ken, we're just one big happy family!

*ginny bastard*

**Ken** · Posted On: 2/28/2006 3:12pm

http://www.ziplo.com/grandpa.htm

"I am my own grandpa"

**Teh El Macho** · Posted On: 2/28/2006 3:55pm

Originally Posted by Poop Loops

I can't figure out if he's trying to look tough in that pic of if he is in a drug-induced stupor.

He is experiencing a Chi high.

On another note, I did a quick Google-fu eye-poking, and found this gem:

http://www.kungfuonline.com/roundtab....php?t-60.html

Also, notice that he uses the title Soke for his created American Combat Kempo here: http://www.urbin.net/EWW/MA/KF/GM-list.html

And to add insult to injury, he is mentioned in a list that includes Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto!!!! http://www.westlord.com/jeetkunedo/eng-instructors.html .... oooooookaaayyyy

**Ken** · Posted On: 2/28/2006 6:56pm

I think I broke a rib from laughing so hard... ha ha ha ha... ouch.

On that link of Kempo Grandmasters... they had a William Chow, set at 15th Dan... is there such a thing? Sounds um, unusually high.

**Disobizqit** · Posted On: 11/25/2007 9:31am

If this is the same guy I remember, I recall him as a senior student losing a sparring match to a beginner student. I KNOW that on his website he shows a picture of his very first black belt test and the other two guys earning their belts got stomped by the same beginner student when they were seniors. I was there. If those other two were the mark of mastery then I am pretty sure this guy lost to the kid as well!!!

**D Dempsey** · Posted On: 11/25/2007 1:55pm

Originally Posted by PoiDog

Reminds me of a professor I had in college. I was taking a voice and movement class (theatre dept.) and this professor was HEAVY into the Bujinkan and this "warriorship" program somethingerather. He knew I was into the martial arts and had been in the Corps. So one day during class, he casually mentions (to the whole class) that his instructor had been the Force Reconnaissance H2H instructor for the Marine Corps.

If anyone on this board ever goes to New Mexico State University, shoot me a PM and I'll give you his name.

I know who you're talking about. I would see him and his idiot students working out form time to time.

**MGuns** · Posted On: 1/17/2008 7:01pm

There are no techniques in MCMAP from that guy.

**eyebeams** · Posted On: 1/17/2008 8:57pm

Originally Posted by Ken

I think I broke a rib from laughing so hard... ha ha ha ha... ouch.

On that link of Kempo Grandmasters... they had a William Chow, set at 15th Dan... is there such a thing? Sounds um, unusually high.

William Chow was the root teacher of virtually every form of Hawaiian Kem/npo. He called himself 15th Dan in one interview as a way of critiquing all of his students who'd made themselves 10th. It shouldn't be taken literally.