I just got an email from freepressrelease that the article was removed.
Not to derail this further, but no it really doesn't change anything. Just because this was released online, as opposed to an actual newspaper article, does not serve as any kind of barrier against a possible claim of defamation. Assuming that all the elements of a libel claim are present (generally speaking: a false statement of fact, unprivileged communication to a third party, some degree of negligence, and damage to the aggrieved party) then a claim could be proved. Defamation claims involving the internet have skyrocketed over the past ten years (I largely practice Intellectual Property/Info Tech//E-commerce law matters) and while some things have certainly changed, overall the basic legal elements are the same.
Originally Posted by Eldritch
None of that is to say that Joe would want to pursue a case, or that he would have legal grounds to do so (impossible to say without having all the information), but people have a false sense of safety when it comes to posting rants online.
Originally Posted by Simio de las Rocas
Heh! I know, but that doesn't stop me posting!
Actually I did read it, but I was thinking more basic than that, in that grip you can barely swing it, and if you do manage to then after a few minutes you'd start abrading the skin against the tsuba.
Anyone who has waved a sword around for more than a few minutes realises it's daft to hold it like that.
That's even before you get into the mechanics of cutting, and achieving a proper form of some sort.
This isn't poor form from 'only' a few lessons, this is no clue whatsoever.
Originally Posted by Iainkelt
Interesting thoughts. My opinion was based on the theory that to show damages, he'd have to show that the publication actually reached an audience (instead of just existing in a void on this freepublication website). I freely admit that I do not practice e-commerce/IP (to any large extent...just keeping our marks secure), so I'll defer to your opinion.
I'd have PMed this, but lack the authority at this juncture.
I already did this and got it removed. Carter wrote a shitty article for a no-name publish anybody news org and it was flagged and removed in short order. It shouldn't affect Joe anymore and I hope Carter moves on too. Carter knows his black belt in beekeeping is fake, so I think he'll stop poking the beehive.
Originally Posted by Lu Tze
Seems way too much of this thread has been about myself.
Was waiting until I was in the vicinity to go see the Oklahoma City Police Department.
After filling out the paper work and providing the case number the "professor" provided, I was informed that there was no police report. The lady went to the back and returned a short while later.
It was explained to me this probably meant that there was a cover letter awaiting review, but no action had been taken.
In a nutshell, it was explained that the case probably was seen as not having any merit and the officers were more interested in catching online predators than placating some middle aged rank trader's angst at being outed.
(bold emphasis is my addition- not the clerk).
Having discussed the case with an attorney, it is his belief that should I want to purse this in court, I do have a libel case against Carter.
I'd just as soon not spend my hard earned dollars pursuing a case against the professor. I have a year from the time of his post to decide to press the matter.
While the original press release was taken down, there are numerous other sites to which the original was linked. I'd ask if anyone goes to these sites that they consider leaving a comment on my behalf. If my name is going to rise in the Google list under Carter's accusations, it may as well have reference to this thread.
Not interested in trying to wipe all reference from the web, but would like to see comments added on my behalf if anyone sees fit. Most of you don't know me, but there are those out there that do.
Joe, I just sat and read this whole thread and props to you for not only baring a part of your past in order to remove the sting from this impotent douche's lame attempts to discredit you...but also for wasting your time (and chi:laughing5) dealing with his passive aggressive style. I'd think if I'd pissed off somebody with such extensive training they'd just kick my ass, particularly if we lived in the same town and he knew my name.
I tried putting in your and Carter's names into Google. There only seems to be one independent site where you can find his "article", and you've already posted a link to this thread. The rest seem to be on Carter's websites, which is a poor idea considering all his legal throwdown talk. You might want to record that he posted it on his own website, so he can't just take it down if it comes to a courtroom.
Hardgrave makes a mockery out of the martial arts especially JKD. I can see all of his awards but where is his fight record.
Fight record? How about sparring videos?
Originally Posted by Bill Mattucci
You won't find any.
The man is in the business of war.
First if the art you are observing has any sporting aspects such as a tournament or a ring it cannot be considered as being a War Art. In War there is not a set of rules or guidelines that the practitioner must adhere to, so the tournaments of today would be out, as would any art that has tournaments. There is a word guide that a prospective War Art seeker can generally use in searching. When you see the word “Do” translated is “way of” on the end of an art that means that it is a watered down version of a parent art that was more real world effective. The only exception would be Bruce Lee’s art which is Jeet Kune Do which is most certainly a War Art.
Carter Hargrave teaches real world arts at Hargrave Martial Arts, such as Jeet Kune Do and is the founder of American Combat Kempo Karate a hard style system that has all heavily modified punches and strikes of Karate, throws and take downs of Ju Jitsu, and weapons training and disarms.
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