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  1. miraclemty is offline

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    9/09/2010 5:09pm

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    I don't know much about JKD, or really anything outside of Muay Thai for that matter, so that question would be much better put towards one of the other members of this site who understand the whole crazy JKD battlefield, because apparently there are a ton of arguments over who is actually legit and who should actually be teaching the art.

    Make no mistake, however, Carter Hargrave is a fraud and a fake. If you have your heart set on JKD and nothing else, I don't know enough to suggest a course of action other than getting out from under the Gary Dill umbrella of fail.
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    Posted On:
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    Haven't run across this one before. Pitiful writing for something posing to be a wiki.

    Is this just another of Carter's 1001 sites? I don't see anything else except more BS on the professor.

    http://orcarterhargrave.wikispaces.c...argrave+Karate

    Carter Hargrave at present owns several organizations between which Globe Jeet Kune Do Federation, Globe Kempo Association, Hargrave Martial Disciplines Systems, Hargrave Disciplines LLC, Fight Martial Artistry Press, and Hargrave Media. His private universities have served the purposes of several persons and agencies and taught them the principles and methods of self-defense programs. Carter also speaks at global seminars and can be contracted for exceptional events. He spreads his information globally and he has a lot of issues he can teach other people. He is proud about the simple fact that as opposed to other teachers that only focus on the physical factors of the instruction he also goes deep into the human mind and discounts with conflict resolution also.
    Now his little home greenhouse is being held as a "university".
  3. Uncle Skippy is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by CodosDePiedra View Post
    My guess is that Hargrave bought both domain names and used that one to list himself among people like Dan Inosanto, Gene Lebell etc. This is speculation though.
    The WhoIs information for jkdworld.com is anonymous:

    Registrant:
    Domains by Proxy, Inc.
    DomainsByProxy.com
    15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
    Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
    United States

    Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. (http://www.godaddy.com)
    Domain Name: JKDWORLD.COM
    Created on: 03-Jun-01
    Expires on: 03-Jun-11
    Last Updated on: 04-Jun-10

    Administrative Contact:
    Private, Registration JKDWORLD.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
    Domains by Proxy, Inc.
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    15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
    Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
    United States
    (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598

    Technical Contact:
    Private, Registration JKDWORLD.COM@domainsbyproxy.com
    Domains by Proxy, Inc.
    DomainsByProxy.com
    15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
    Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
    United States
    (480) 624-2599 Fax -- (480) 624-2598

    Domain servers in listed order:
    NS1.PROLINKHOSTING.COM
    NS2.PROLINKHOSTING.COM
    But, a search for 'jkdworld.com' shows that there is a subdomain named tulsamartialarts.jkdworld.com :

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Skippy View Post
    The WhoIs information for jkdworld.com is anonymous:=
    Is that normal?
  5. Uncle Skippy is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by CodosDePiedra View Post
    Is that normal?
    It isn't out of the ordinary. There are companies set up just to provide privacy for domain names so that you can't figure out who owns them.

    I have it on my personal domains because, since I don't have an official business, I'd have to provide my home address/phone number as contact information on the domain record. That doesn't appeal to me, so I use a domain privacy setting.

    Of course, my personal domains don't have ulterior motives. I only privatize my domains to keep the crazies from calling me for tech support.

    In this case though, the strangeness of the site (Carter listed among Bruce, Dan, etc... , tulsamartialarts subdomain, and no identifying information on the actual site itself) makes me think they are simply trying to hide who created it.
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  6. biajong is offline

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    Posted On:
    9/10/2010 5:58pm

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    Ok guys, I'm going to a seminar in Norcross Ga about an hour from my home. It turns out one of the highest authorities on jkd will be teaching a kali/savate/jkd course. Yes Danny Inosanto! I'm not a 100% Hargrave trained student, but I know his jkd 100%. I guess I'll see what's what. You can sign up for the seminar at Francis Fong's web site http://www.francisfongacademy.com/ I'll let you all know how it goes.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by biajong View Post
    Ok guys, I'm going to a seminar in Norcross Ga about an hour from my home. It turns out one of the highest authorities on jkd will be teaching a kali/savate/jkd course. Yes Danny Inosanto! I'm not a 100% Hargrave trained student, but I know his jkd 100%. I guess I'll see what's what. You can sign up for the seminar at Francis Fong's web site http://www.francisfongacademy.com/ I'll let you all know how it goes.
    Really? Hargrave doesn't know his own JKD 100%
  8. Uncle Skippy is offline

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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by biajong View Post
    Ok guys, I'm going to a seminar in Norcross Ga about an hour from my home. It turns out one of the highest authorities on jkd will be teaching a kali/savate/jkd course. Yes Danny Inosanto! I'm not a 100% Hargrave trained student, but I know his jkd 100%. I guess I'll see what's what. You can sign up for the seminar at Francis Fong's web site http://www.francisfongacademy.com/ I'll let you all know how it goes.
    Ask Dan about his thoughts on Carter and Carter's JKD training.

    It'd be interesting to hear it from one of the 1st generation instructors.
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    Posted On:
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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Got this little gem in today.

    "This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.beasleytech.net/ from:
    Doug Elliot <delliot@yahoo.com>

    Rex Ashcraft works there and he is always telling everyone how easy his job
    is and that he does not have to do much. Can I get a job like his.

    He gets to post online and surf the net telling everyone what a blow off job
    he has

    CorvusCorvanes - Member Profile - Bullshido

    And drink beer and tell everyone about Beasley while I have beer box on my
    head

    http://en.netlog.com/iam_the_Corvuss

    You should be so proud. You actually pay him to net surf all day. You could
    check the internet logs but oops thats Rex's department and he wont let that
    happen.

    He sure makes your company look gooooood"

    Now i have no way of proving who this was or was not. However, I don't really have anybody that comes to mind when i think of enemies much less ones that can't figure out that i left a job 6 months ago. Thankfully I am still friends with my ex employer. Nice try Hargrave, but a simple phone call could have saved you some embarrassment.

    Ironically the email returned a no reply when he attempted to offer him a job.

    EDIT: And yes that is me quad beer fisting in the king of krunk hat.
  10. biajong is offline

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    Posted On:
    9/10/2010 10:42pm

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    I'll try an get a minute with him to ask about Carter, I remember though francis fong used to be on his instructors list, but now he is not! Maybe i'll ask him about that... I feel it to be a bit weird though... I was looking and looking for seminars with Danny when I noticed all this stuff about Carter, then suddenly I gave up and started looking for francis fong seminars. Sure enough Danny would be an hour a way towards the end of this month... That's awsome! Just in time for me to reserve a spot early and get a discount.

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