Carter Hargrave

**tyrrin** · Posted On: 12/27/2009 7:34pm

Thanks I have been reading the site for several months, but just now got involved. I am sick of losers like this idiot Hargraves giving legit schools a bad name. Once I have enough information on this reject I am going to start a smear campaign the likes this moron has never seen. I just need to nail down some serious facts before I go after him. I have contacted a couple people at Camp Lejeune in regards to his claim of founding the marine martial art, we will see where that goes. But seriously this dip has threatened the wrong person. I will keep you all up to date!

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 12/29/2009 3:03pm

I understand that Carter studied with Dill who in turn studied with James Lee, though Lee didn't want Dill to teach the art for money. So Carter has some claim to a legitimate lineage, though one can argue about whether Dill was qualified to teach JKD in the first place. Carter may have also studied with other first generation students though I am unaware of whether anyone has licensed him to teach.

Jerry Poleet did study with Bruce Lee, so he has a claim to teach JKD, though Lee never formally granted him permission to teach.

For the UK guy, I would strongly recommend you visit the straight blast gym in Manchester and forget learning by videotape.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 12/29/2009 7:51pm

Cull:
Intro and asking about JKD. - No BS MMA and Martial Arts

This was more of a newbietown question.

**adam76** · Posted On: 12/29/2009 8:02pm

what? why even bother to write that?

**tyrrin** · Posted On: 12/29/2009 8:50pm

That wasn't a noobie town question, he person asking the question had purchased this frauds videos and wanted to know where to get the real thing.

**Sam Browning** · Posted On: 12/29/2009 8:55pm

His discussion of JKD would be better pursued in newbietown. I also do not think I would call Carter a fraud because he has had some JKD training. Now the quality of that training can obviously be disputed.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 12/29/2009 9:04pm

Originally Posted by tyrrin

had purchased this videos and wanted to know where to get the real thing.

Now, please re-read your quote with my editing.

In other words he is new, like you, and his questions about good JKD videos is not relevant to this investigation thread.

It is in the correct place as well as the rest of the comments.

Originally Posted by adam76

what? why even bother to write that?

So you don't go OMG where are my posts.

**tyrrin** · Posted On: 12/29/2009 9:07pm

I know the fraud personally, he trained at my school before he ascended into God hood. Gary Dill is also a Fraud. Lol, he claims that his martial art was given him by the spirit of a dead Samurai. That is why I call him a fraud.

**It is Fake** · Posted On: 12/29/2009 9:18pm

Okay, this subforum isn't like the ones you may be used to posting on. In this one, when you call someone a fraud hearsay is not considered proof. No, this isn't discounting your word nor am I calling you a liar. Here, we need documents, videos, court cases, recording, affidavits, website links, pictures and sometimes notarized documents.

Yes, all of these have been provided in successful fraud investigations.

**dig7six** · Posted On: 12/29/2009 9:26pm

"About Grand Master Carter Hargrave Martial Arts Master"

^ I think that about sums it up.

But it being set to a purpleish/pink background does indeed add.