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    Oh yes...Bongs in general are very useful.

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    what exactly is Bong Sau and does it give anything essential that can't be found in say standard boxing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TehDeadlyDimMak
    what exactly is Bong Sau and does it give anything essential that can't be found in say standard boxing?
    Bong sau is basically a deflection move. I don't know if I can give you a good definition or description of the move, so I'll just tell you what I've been told:

    1. Bong sau can be the best and worst defense. If you don't do it well then you will probably get clobbered. Doing it wrong will put you in a bad spot.

    2. It works best with a turn and if you are already in contact. The turn gets you further from the punch and the contact is so you can attempt to control the person.

    3. Bong sau is a transitional move. You aren't meant to stay in the position. You do it just enough to deflect the incoming punch and then immediately move it into something else, such as a tan sau. If you stay in it then you'll get clobbered.

    To be honest, I don't think I've ever used bong sau while sparring. I've attempted to force myself in to the move, but I just can't pull it off. My wife can do it pretty well, though. Perhaps the difference is that I try to muscle too many incoming punches, while she utilizes deflection better than I do. I need to work on it, if for no other reason than I can decide if it is a good move for me.

    I don't know if there is anything comparable in boxing.

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    Incredible how everyone assumes that Wing Chun can't be used against boxing punches because some random asshole said so.

    *been into boxing for 2 and a half years and actually has experience in it*

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    Quote Originally Posted by ignatzami
    Given: Wing Chun can (given time) be an effective stand up art when used against another Wing Chun practioner/kung fu practitioner.
    Given: Wing Chun has flaws, no groundfighting for example.
    Given: Cross-training is the ideal way to compensate for styalistic weaknesses.

    So my question, Using Wing Chun as a base what one or two other styles would you (the board) suggest cross training in to compensate for the weakneses of Wing Chun?
    Very good question. I've often asked myself that. How about American boxing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TehDeadlyDimMak
    what exactly is Bong Sau and does it give anything essential that can't be found in say standard boxing?
    My take on the bong sau is that in very close-in fighting, if your arm happens to be in that position when a strike is coming in, then use is to deflect the strike.

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    In this movie Kyukushin loses to Wing Chung if I remember it correctly. But in the Fighting Black Kings wing chung got it's ass kicked.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxcwl...ch=Wing%20Chun

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Mundane
    Incredible how everyone assumes that Wing Chun can't be used against boxing punches because some random asshole said so.

    *been into boxing for 2 and a half years and actually has experience in it*
    Actually, I assume Wing Chun can't be used against boxing punches because every time I've seen anyone try it it's failed miserably on every conceivable level.

    Possibly you have "the real _ing _un" that works against boxing punches, but frankly until I see it on video I'm going to assume you're full of it.

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    About 15 or so years back BB mag (don't cuss me I only read it now for a laff) had some article about the historical origins of the Chun being a Chinese response to western boxers. That maybe be true but like most kung fu systems the art became bogged down never evolved and western boxing did hence Chunners stand no chance against someone with decent boxing hand skills.
    " Gee thanks Kip for stating the obvious!"
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