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  1. TehDeadlyDimMak is offline
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liu Bei
    Hey guys.

    Sorry about the things I said. I was just ticked at how martial arts are being treated cheaply these days, and my frustration reached its peak at that last comment. I spoke out of turn. I'll try to be more conscious of what I say next time.

    I still like bullshido for its mission to expose the falsities in the MA world, and that there are people at least giving Wing Chun a chance for redemption. If anything, I'll be glad to offer some vid evidence of the style's effectiveness, but I just don't want to go banging on the doors of other schools and become egotistical.

    Please forgive me.

    -Liu Bei
    If you can post videos that show WC working effectively against a resisting opponent (sparring etc.) that'd be great.

    Compliant drills and such will not help WC's reputation on this board though.
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    Jesus Christ. This thread has become eternal!!!!
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    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by elnyka
    Jesus Christ. This thread has become eternal!!!!
    It is a continuing web of comments, perpetually spinning into oblivion....a digital chi sau....
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    Quote Originally Posted by whybother
    Openmindedness is not the same thing as gullibility or stupidity. Being open minded doesn't mean to just accept something because someone claims it or says so -- no matter how many times they claim or say it -- but because there is credible evidence that can be independently verified to believe it. When faced with that sort of evidence the openminded person will change their view. Contrast that with those that believe all sorts of things without any credible evidence, like the majority of TCMA people, including the vocal wing chun crowd.

    Personally, I don't have any problem with anyone making a claim if they will back it up with evidence. With wing chun, what we see over and over again, when they do try to back it up with evidence (video, for example) is pure crap that they think is good stuff (why they present it in the first place). Or we have wing chun "grandmasters" who when caught on tape in an actual fight, display a complete lack of skills. If wing chun is good and works, why is it we haven't seen it? Where is it hiding? Matt Thornton summed it up when he said, "Wing chun is silly." Now, that's how I feel but I'm openminded, my view can change if I can see some credible evidence that it works. For some strange reason though, that evidence is elusive.

    Too much openness and you accept every notion, idea, and hypothesis -
    which is tantamount to knowing nothing. Too much skepticism - especially
    rejection of new ideas before they are adequately tested - and you're
    not only unpleasantly grumpy, but also closed to the advance of science.
    A judicious mix is what we need." - Carl Sagan
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liu Bei
    There is intellectuality in the martial arts; there is more to it than just fighting. You were just too dim to experience it.
    I tend to keep my intellectual pursuits separate from my martial ones unless I'm writing an article about Gong Fu.

    Intellectualism is for school (read: work, I'm an English teacher), writing (read: work, I just began my professional writing career - I'll probably be published in July, more later) and gambling (read: taking your money) not for fighting.
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    2/21/2006 8:14am


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    Quote Originally Posted by Astrosmurf
    Too much openness and you accept every notion, idea, and hypothesis -
    which is tantamount to knowing nothing. Too much skepticism - especially
    rejection of new ideas before they are adequately tested - and you're
    not only unpleasantly grumpy, but also closed to the advance of science.
    A judicious mix is what we need." - Carl Sagan
    Great quote! With wing chun, however, we've had years and years of claims so it is hardly a new idea. And we've had years and years of failures in attempts to prove those claims. At some point it seems prudent to say 'the evidence isn't there, it isn't forthcoming, and that's because the claims are false.' Just like cold fusion. ;) Being open minded, though, should some new evidence appear that contradicts the notion wing chun is crap, I'd be happy to look at it and reexamine my view. Until that time, the weight of the evidence suggests wing chun is silly.
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    And will you actually go looking for any evidence that WC is not the bullshit you believe it to be? If you don't, you're not really entitled to hold that opinion. It's like saying that you hate black people without having ever met any black people or looked for anything good in the black community.
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    Posted On:
    2/21/2006 8:56am

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     Style: Wing Chun

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    Quote Originally Posted by whybother
    Great quote! With wing chun, however, we've had years and years of claims so it is hardly a new idea. And we've had years and years of failures in attempts to prove those claims. At some point it seems prudent to say 'the evidence isn't there, it isn't forthcoming, and that's because the claims are false.' Just like cold fusion. ;) Being open minded, though, should some new evidence appear that contradicts the notion wing chun is crap, I'd be happy to look at it and reexamine my view. Until that time, the weight of the evidence suggests wing chun is silly.
    I think its is mainly the claims many Chunners make about the art that is silly.

    Wing Chun imo has some useful techniques, tactics and training methods in its traditional curriculum but without alive training people are just using them for dancing. It is also concerned with a rather limited range, groundfighting is not included at all and at longe range it is rather limited. At closer range its techiques are often somewhat difficult to use with boxing gloves, with small grappling gloves it is much easier. It is (for me at least) especially hard to use against a mobile and skilled defensive fighter but works much better when counter-attacking someone who is offensive.
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    ^ one of the few sane _ing _uners on this board.
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    Posted On:
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMcFu
    ^ one of the few sane _ing _uners on this board.

    Astrosmurf is not sane. He just happens to be your brand of insane.

    :smile:

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