Dirty Boxing

**Scrapper** · Posted On: 1/04/2006 7:11pm

I am a notorious "dirty boxer." Once I achieve any kind of clinch or tie up, I become all elbows and short hooks. It sets up the "dirty judo" I have been developing beautifully. I have noticed that many striking arts completely ignore the close/clinch range. So here is a thread to discuss your nastiest dirty boxing strategies.

Mine?

I like to double up inside, and let my guy A-frme me. When he does this I slide my head to either side and drill short hooks to both sides of the ribs. When my opponent pulls elbows in to defend, I pop to the outside and thow a hook (or elbow) to the side of the head. If he throws knees, my forearms are already in position to protect, and I scoop under the leg for the takedown. Since I know that the knees are coming, I find this calculated risk to be worth it.

Bring it on, people!

(Will take pics to illustrate later this week)

**saku39** · Posted On: 1/04/2006 7:22pm

over under hook the arms, with my right arm under-hooking his left. attempt throw with the arms which he negates by counterrotating his arms (that is lifting his right arm). throw a knee TO THE LIVER!

**Emevas** · Posted On: 1/04/2006 7:25pm

Mark Hatmaker has some great stuff on this.

I don't have much. I'm a fan of pulling their headgear over their eyes and punching their gloves into their face. Not much experience.

**Zendetta** · Posted On: 1/04/2006 7:36pm

I saw Karo P fight for the first time the other night. I love his muay thai neck tie-and-knee, followed by a fast jab cross when they react to the clinch and knees.

**Scrapper** · Posted On: 1/04/2006 7:40pm

Originally Posted by saku39

over under hook the arms, with my right arm under-hooking his left. attempt throw with the arms which he negates by counterrotating his arms (that is lifting his right arm). throw a knee TO THE LIVER!

that is a nice one. Gonna practice that. It reeks of "dirty judo..."

**FighterJones** · Posted On: 1/04/2006 10:06pm

High HIGH over hook of one arm, with your other forearm pressed against their temple.
Amazing control.
Don't know what you guys know this by tho

**Red Elvis** · Posted On: 1/04/2006 10:27pm

Love short hooks and uppercuts with head control. I like to let them knee right into my elbows when in a clinch. Nothing like pointy elbow in your thigh just above the knee joint. I also like to use an upward elbow to the jaw but this doesn't translate so good for training or comp. BTW - Are we talking in general here or training? I also have a sneaky ass silat takedown from the clinch but haven't tried it in years. Thanks for making me remember!

:bully:

Forgot, also like to keep pressure on them with my head forcing them off balance. I just bought Greco Roman Wrestling by Martell so this will help too. Ohh yeah!

**Shuma-Gorath** · Posted On: 1/04/2006 11:21pm

My clinch work isn't very good, but against guys who push forward in the clinch I like to either get an over-under clinch and do a rapid 180º spin to take them off balance. Their moment of imbalance will let me get a better position or a few hard shots to whatever I see.

Another one I like is when I need to disengage I will push them away with both hands on the chest and immediately throw a head kick. One of my coaches taught me it as a way to really nail someone when they try to reingage.

Originally Posted by Red Elvis

Love short hooks and uppercuts with head control. I like to let them knee right into my elbows when in a clinch. Nothing like pointy elbow in your thigh just above the knee joint.

I have to try this. The kickboxing class here usually ends up being just me and a couple of professionals and one of them landed too many unanswered knees last time.

**feedback** · Posted On: 1/05/2006 1:33am

Once I'm in close-punching range, I like to crash into the clinch ASAP, creating openings with hooks to the body on the unsecured side. Once in the clinch, I focus mostly on relentless manipulation of their balance while throwing knees from each side. When they resist from one side, I immeaditly go to the other side. When they go limp, they go to the middle and I dig my chin into the back of their neck while throwing straight knees.

**Jekyll** · Posted On: 1/05/2006 6:07am

I like to get double overhooks with their head stuck under my armpit and my hips well out, away from them. I normally get here by baiting them with a leg.

From here I sprawl a bit to keep them pressed down a tired while I throw knees to their head, and sometimes round to the body.

I've crushed people down into turtle before and have a nice tai toshi off of it as well.