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  1. Pen15 is offline

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    2/15/2006 11:10pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by rexkwon
    The fighting arts can be traced to almost every people group from the Greek and Roman ,the Africans, Asians , from the stand point of anthropology Martial Arts are endemic to most premodern cultures.
    That is true, and I agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebrand
    Hmm. According to legend, Kung Fu and Karate theoretically originated with some monk from India who made his way to China. India was once occupied by Alexander. No Roman connection there. Maybe Greek.
    The better case {if one must say they have one root} is they all come out of Africa .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawarma
    Funny how nobody ever accuses the Asians of stealing martial arts from the ancient greeks and romans.
    Because they didn't, thats why.

    Asian martial arts were invented WAY before anyone was able to travel across oceans. So deny it all you want, the Chinese invented their way of fighting, as well as paper, firework (which lead to gun powder), and the compus, which are items the world still use today. Don't let that hurt your feeling.
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    Such nationalism. Reminds me of another poster from Hong Kong.
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    CIA I think it was...
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    "While Li had been highly successful in non-combat Wu Shu tournaments, he has never expressed a personal interest in competing in any sport fighting or competitive martial arts such as kickboxing or MMA."

    http://www.answers.com/topic/jet-li

    Having said that I will defenitly go see the movie as it looks awesome.

    Seriously though what's the deal? This thread just pointed out that Chinese kung fu movies had the Chinese heros beating everyone else like the Japanese.

    Which rates 10 out of 10 in the duh factor. It like pointing out Rambo kills lots of commies. Or John Wayne kills lots of peoplr who aren't John Wayne.

    Your going on this anit-American rag about how arrogant Americans are do you know how many Americans watch and enjoy these movies? Does Jackie Chan or Tony Jaa or Jet li beating Americans up bother anyone in America? I woudl say the millions they make in US box office indicates no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pen15
    Because they didn't, thats why.

    Asian martial arts were invented WAY before anyone was able to travel across oceans. So deny it all you want, the Chinese invented their way of fighting, as well as paper, firework (which lead to gun powder), and the compus, which are items the world still use today. Don't let that hurt your feeling.
    There was in fact some contact between the Chinese and Greco- Roman Culture by way of the Parthian who were in contact with both cultures ,
    And the Central Asian wrestling does show signs of this contact.
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    There are more than a few people who think that Jet li can actually fight. I used to think that he was just being humble when he said during the making of cradle to the grave, that those guys would kick his ass in real-life.
    But now that 've read up on him, I know he doesn't even like fighting. At least he's realistic and doesn't treat his Wushu as anything more than an "Art".

    Racism in movies isn't a new thing. And it isn't just limited to chinese movies either.
    Its whether you allow those rasicst actions to affect you or not.
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    A solid answer.

    To answer the original poster's question, and the original purpose of the thread.... China and Japan have been off and on at war for hundreds of years, perhaps even thousands. This, even during peacetime, would engender highly nationalist feelings. The occupation of major parts of China before the end of WW2, with its rape, pillaging, and executions, would magnify such ill-feelings a thousand-fold.

    It's also not limited, of course, to just Japanese, and their martial arts. One merely has to look at the Wong Fei-Hung inspired movies such as "Once Upon a Time in China" series to see it was against any foreign power (British, American, etc.) who had occupied China near the turn of the 20th Century.

    In short, it's about what nationalism means... a fierce pride in one's country/state/government. And nothing stirs up pride and anger in a people or a nation more than wounding it. (See: the first two years after September 11th)

    It's also about propaganda, designed to carry a message of that same nationalist pride, and/or sometimes, xenophobic fear and loathing. Tell a nation's people enough times through film and media that they can hate and defeat another country, and they will likely believe it.

    It's not limited to HK films, of course. People in the subsequent replies to the OP whenever it didn't get sidetracked by the various potshots people take at other peoples art's, correctly brought up the American films like Rocky IV, and the Rambo: First Blood series, Red Dawn, Invasion USA, etc. as prime examples of equivalent film propaganda. This was at the height and also at the zenith of the cold war, and people in America were afraid of Soviet invasion, real or imagined. They wanted to feel better about themselves and needed an outlet for the nationalist feelings they were experiencing. So they turned to these films.

    Remember the old days, during the 80's and early 90's, when Japan was supposedly threatening to take over the USA not militarily, but economically? How many ninja/anti-ninja movies and yakuza/anti-yakuza movies came out during then? Speaks for itself, no? :)

    Now, is it Bullshido? Hell yeah! Propaganda is bullshit any way and from any side you look at it, so if you add martial arts to it, it's bullshit with kicking and punching added, ergo - Bullshido.

    So sit back, watch the old movies, get some beer and some good bar food, and watch the old propaganda fly by. Try not to get too worked up over it, and enjoy it for what it is worth, or not worth.
    Last edited by Ken; 2/16/2006 2:23pm at . Reason: to fix various writing errors
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    Posted On:
    2/16/2006 3:11pm


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    "Funny how nobody ever accuses the Asians of stealing martial arts from the ancient greeks and romans."

    There was a guy on E-budo a while ago who claimed everyone there was a racist for not accepting that all martial arts were created in Africa and then stolen... not quite ancient greeks but close.
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