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    No good mma school around- Only a JKD place

    Hey guys. I'm looking to learn mma both as a sport and means of self protection. the only problem is that there isn't any good mma place around my area. The places that are "good" have one mma class a week, 2 bjj classes a week, 1 muay thai class a week, and the rest is a TKD class........And it costs $110 for each week (for 1 class). The only affordable place that I've found was a JKD place that teaches JKD, Kali-escrima, and CSW (Erik Paulson's the man). The place only charges 75 for a week and there are 3 classes a week. The problem is, I've read that the best things to learn is boxing, wrestling, jits. If I take a JKD, kali-escrima, and CSW class will it give me same delivery system as the big 3? JKD gives me a striking delivery system Kali-Escrima gives me a ________delivery system CSW gives me a ground and wrestling delivery system. What's your opinion on this? Will JKD+Kali+CSW give me the same delivery systems as the big 3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffectiveMMA4me View Post
    Hey guys. I'm looking to learn mma both as a sport and means of self protection. the only problem is that there isn't any good mma place around my area. The places that are "good" have one mma class a week, 2 bjj classes a week, 1 muay thai class a week, and the rest is a TKD class........And it costs $110 for each week (for 1 class). The only affordable place that I've found was a JKD place that teaches JKD, Kali-escrima, and CSW (Erik Paulson's the man). The place only charges 75 for a week and there are 3 classes a week. The problem is, I've read that the best things to learn is boxing, wrestling, jits. If I take a JKD, kali-escrima, and CSW class will it give me same delivery system as the big 3? JKD gives me a striking delivery system Kali-Escrima gives me a ________delivery system CSW gives me a ground and wrestling delivery system. What's your opinion on this? Will JKD+Kali+CSW give me the same delivery systems as the big 3?
    Dude. $300 a month? for three classes a week? That's ridiculous. I think you'd be better off doing some Gracie Combatives in your garage, plus getting Bas's Big DVDs of Combat. Get some mats & a heavy bag, train with your friends. You'll save a piss load of money in the long run and be much closer to your goals.
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    maybe get used to the idea of a commute?
    I can't believe they could be that much. thats crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffectiveMMA4me View Post
    Hey guys. I'm looking to learn mma both as a sport and means of self protection. the only problem is that there isn't any good mma place around my area. The places that are "good" have one mma class a week, 2 bjj classes a week, 1 muay thai class a week, and the rest is a TKD class........And it costs $110 for each week (for 1 class). The only affordable place that I've found was a JKD place that teaches JKD, Kali-escrima, and CSW (Erik Paulson's the man). The place only charges 75 for a week and there are 3 classes a week. The problem is, I've read that the best things to learn is boxing, wrestling, jits. If I take a JKD, kali-escrima, and CSW class will it give me same delivery system as the big 3? JKD gives me a striking delivery system Kali-Escrima gives me a ________delivery system CSW gives me a ground and wrestling delivery system. What's your opinion on this? Will JKD+Kali+CSW give me the same delivery systems as the big 3?
    Quick answer, no.

    Long answer, no, but it will probably teach you some skills that are different and possibly just as good.

    CSW is easily vouched for. There's little debate that CSW will give you legitimate no-gi grappling skills. Great for MMA and SD.

    I am a fan of Escrima/Kali/Arnis, so long as it's taught live. What will it give you in terms of sport or MMA applicability? Not very much. A weapons-based art will be of little use there, no matter what FMA proponents tell you about the transferability of empty-hand techniques. In self-defense scenarios? It's great if you have a stick or a knife.

    The real wild card is JKD. You know how people say "it's not the art, it's how you practice it" or "it's not the style, it's the teacher"? Those cliches were practically written for JKD. JKD is the style of no style, so the base art of the instructor or instructor's instructor will have a big influence on what and how you're taught. Is the instructor a wing chun convert? A former kickboxer? A TKD guy hopping on the MMA bandwagon? Or is he a guy like Inosanto or Paulson who is a legit badass in several styles that uses JKD as a philosophy and vehicle for combining styles?

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    Are you talking about Erik Paulson's actual home gym? If so, and you have the money to burn, I'm sure his brand of JKD is worth training in.

    More importantly, I'd kill (someone who wouldn't be missed) to train in CSW.

    As for Kali - if you're interested in how to handle weapons, it's one of your best bets in the US today.

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    Like Ka-Bar said, the real wild card is JKD. However considering it is paired up with CSW and Kali/Arnis, that is probably a reasonably good sign that the JKD is at least decent there.

    But where the hell do you live where lessons are that expensive?

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    That must be a typo, where do lessons cost that much? JKD is as good as the instructor, try it and see if you're happy without signing a contract.

    Boxing and wrestling are dying out as grass roots sports so it may be hard to find gyms, and BJJ can be expensive as its's still trendy; but there must be a Judo club around and maybe Muay Thai.

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    I got my first training in JKD. We did basic boxing, basic BJJ, and basic low kick kickboxing in the (you guessed it) basic curriculum. The advanced students focussed a lot on trapping stuff that is IMO usless, but a good (Innosanto lineage) JKD school is a great place to start, and pretty close to a modern MMA program.

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    @the OP:

    some questions:
    - They really charge 75 a week? Even for the US that is too much.
    - with 3 classes a week, do you mean 3 classes per style (3x JKD, 3x FMA and 3x CSW) a week or just 3 classes (1x JKD, 1x FMA and 1x CSW) a week.

    If you want to train MMA, the CSW classes are enough since the "Combat" part of the CSW stands for the mix of English Boxing, Savate and Muay Thai.
    Inform if going 3x times a week to only the CSW classes will make it cheaper on your wallet.
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