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  1. kikkoman is offline

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    Chinese Sanda/San Shou

    I was wondering if anyone here knows about the history of sanda. I'm more interested in the style lineage of the techniques it uses than dates.

    What specific kung fu styles does it use? What external styles have influenced it? In the areas of grapppling, kicking, and punching. Side kicks, roundhouses?

    I'm guessing it is similar to the history of American Kickboxing. Taking the traditional style and applying it to ring fighting to create a new style.
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     Style: CMA,Muay Thai ,Yudo,TKD

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    Can't say for sure. I believe it was developed shortly after the Communists took over in 1949. They got together a bunch of Wushu instructors and had them develope a fighting system for training the military. I can't say for sure what systems SanDa is drawn from, I would imagine some things come from Shuai Qiao or Chin Na when it comes to throws, but the punching and kicking I have no information. I am by far not an expert on this subject.
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    It was developed because Kung Fu guys kept getting their asses kicked by Muay Thai fighters. Eventually, the Chinese got smart and decided to train Muay Thai. They added throws to try to disguise it, but still wear Muay Thai shorts and throw Thai style round kicks. Chinese fighting has greatly improved because of this, though.
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    The chinese realised how bad ass muay thai was and decided to copy it and call it sanda/sanshou
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaiboxerken
    I don't know, but I want to **** on this thread anyway.
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    Sanda also used to be known for its weapon use, especially the nekode-like wristblades they use at higher levels. However, this was proven to be misleading, since there is no Sanda Claws.
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    Competitive sanda's existed in one form or another since 1979 in China, since 1983 outside of China, and since 1989-1991 (sources vary) as an organized competitive sport. Sanda's rules set is supposed to evoke older platform fighting (lei tai) competition and provide a competitive venue for military hand to hand skills.

    http://www.wushu.org/eng/sanda.php
    http://www.eagleclaw.gr/en/historyw.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_shou

    Before sanda, there were lei tai matches. Sanda is not really directly descended from lei tai, and lei tai is the form supported by Taiwanese orgs.

    http://mhkungfu.com/Events/Tournamen...tai_rules.html

    I'm sure muay thai has a role in sanda's development, but it's not particularly open and shut. IIRC, the main exchange between kung fu and muay thai fighters happened with choi li fut fighters out of Hong Kong. Sanda used to allow elbows and knees, but doesn't now. Some schools teach the Thai round kick; some teach a kick that's a little more like the kyokushin round kick. Still, it's not as if anybody's going to avoid muay thai techniques.
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    Ken and Kid, where have you guys trained Sanda before? I'm inclined to disagree that Sanda is a copy of Muay Thai. I'm certainly no expert, but I've trained in Sanda before while in China and currently train Muay Thai.
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    Kid is just joking around.

    Ken is suffering from short memory syndrome or he wouldn't possibly be shitting on this thread after being so incredibly thoruoughly pwned on the topic the last time around.

    Link:

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ighlight=sanda

    Another link minus the pwnage and flaming:

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...ighlight=sanda

    Oh yeah,

    To answer your question, neither of them have trained Sanda.
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     Style: Tai Chi, abit of BJJ

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    Sanda is the fighting aspect of wushu. At least that's what I've been told. =\
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