Fang Shen Do

**Crazy Mount** · Posted On: 4/18/2006 12:31am

Originally Posted by GreenHornet

for christ sakes I leave to train for 3 hours and 4 pages add up.

Shadow Beast I think I have been nice to you until now, but now this is going crazy.
Fang Shen Do is NOT A GOOD MA. I have been there for 5 years, and now for 5 months I have been doing an other MA and I have learned more than in those 5 years about real fighting.

I know there are some things in this world that work well for someone and not for someone else, but the lack of realism of FSD is universal.
If I drink acid and die of it, will you drink it too saying: "well he died of it, but maybe it won't do anything to me..."?

dude be wise.

I know how you feel GH; I stepped away a little longer and another six pages popped up. Also, I've trained with them for much longer than 5 years so don't feel too bad. I too have had the world open up to me when I decided to leave.

Enhanced: I think your eyes are starting to open a little. You should listen to the people on here and go see what you are not learning. I've been where your at now, and felt the way you felt, but leaving was the best thing for me. I've grown so much since and have no regrets.

Shadow Beast: I take back what I said to you before that I'd answer your questions. The answers are provided here in the forum. I've lost what little respect I had for you when you started insulting individuals on here who know what they're talking about, including me. TKD, Askari, Green Hornet, String Fellow, etc... are all martial artists who can back up there claims and experiences. Yours have proven to be completely absurd and bullshit coming from a guy who claims to be a Martial Artist. I think you're a martial wannabe, but artist, come on! You have no place calling yourself an artist. I'm sorry to be harsh, but the truth hurts sometime. You said you have money to blow so go take FSD and throw your money away.

As far as the rest goes lets keep this forum as authentic as possible to Stringfellow's origional wishes. This forum is to make aware the cultish and kooky experiences a new student will eventually fall into when joining FSD. Also, be aware to any new student reading this that your money is being stolen from you and you can find better! Do not take what FSD says as fact because a little research will reveal that it is fiction.

**Askari** · Posted On: 4/18/2006 5:46am

Crazy Mount,

You are a voice of reason. I personally should have ignored the Troll.

This was really a case of following the blind:

**bummer** · Posted On: 4/18/2006 6:49am

Originally Posted by shadow beast

cool thanks..

how i am seeing it now is (recent changes)

belts and tests are included up to brown (dont know if it was like that for you)

if your a member of the bbc, you can go to all the classes, weapons classes, sparring classes, and get i think 2 free seminars a year, thats about right (acording to the newest fsd rules/statement

i wonder if their are any seminars in the montreal schools? or only at the pagoda?

How does he know about the pagoda and its location, 2 free seminars, etc? It appears to me that he already knows the answers to his questions, and is only trying to score some late-night points for the future surfers who will search FSD and come across this thread. Hell, looking at his punctuation, he might even be MP himself, but I'm guessing it could also be a die-hard student. Either way, he's one fishy mo'fucka.

I'll sum it up for you :

FANG SHEN DO = PAY MORE FOR LESS

Perhaps what we should start doing is all suscribe for 1 free month and all go attend our local Patenaude's sparring classes. Perhaps own a sifu or two as well..! If we all do it I bet we can run their business into the ground within a few months. No lie.

Just a thought,
bummer

**Cdnronin** · Posted On: 4/18/2006 7:53am

Originally Posted by shadow beast

are you sick in the head? wait, you must be a girl, you have to be, the name askari, your shitty attitude, yeah, you gotta be a girl *snickers*

Because REAL men take on names like shadow beast and lie about their MMA experience.

Ok, again, I am one person, my name is ken, i live in montreal, i have done and tried many arts (GOOD ONES) and i RECENTLY took interest in fsd, i am only starting tomorrow..

and fsd is not my favorite martial art, cause i havent tried it yet.

" i am going to the one in downtown montreal (near atwater)"
" its ok, the sifu told me everything about you."

So the sifu was not even telling a current student all about a former student, but a prospective client? well, my respect for the organization just went waaay up.
In most sales manuals, you will be told to be courteous and professional, makes me curious what it must say in the FSD manual.

**shadow beast** · Posted On: 4/18/2006 8:13am

crazy mount, what are you talking about?

i was upset at everyone else because i was just talking and asking questions, and they were being vulger towards me, but i did not bad mouth you, my questions were directed towards you and enhanced.

and i know about the pagoda and all that because of the cd-rom that they gave me when i signed up, has videos of the training camp, seminars, ect ect.

**TKD Black Belt** · Posted On: 4/18/2006 9:08am

Double Post, sorry.

**TKD Black Belt** · Posted On: 4/18/2006 9:09am

Originally Posted by Askari

This was really a case of following the blind:

In basketball when you miss the basket and backboard completely people yell 'air ball'. I remember being at a Karate tournament with a few national team guys and us 'oo'ing and 'ah'ing in mock appreciation for the 'air kicks' that were scoring points with certain refs.

Do you suppose the Patenaude's have mastered the 'phantom strike' to such a level that they don't mind photographing it?

TKD

**Crazy Mount** · Posted On: 4/18/2006 9:47am

Hey Bummer,

I thought the same thing about shadow beast that you did. He knows more than he says he does and asks questions that have all been answered in this forum and in stringfellows article. I didn't think he's MP though, but often thought enhanced was because I heard MP use that word many times before. Also, MP is the only one who I think would be generally concerned about how to find the solution to this problem. This would mean getting to the bottom of why us students are fed up with their system and why we've experienced better elsewhere. Martin seems to be the guy who looks for solutions instead of focusing on the problem. All the questions enhanced is asking lead me to feel that he was MP. This is just a hypothesis though and I'm beginning to think that he may be a student like myself that has been with FSD for many years and was devoted. Only know he may be beginning to see what we're talking about and has raised questions in his mind as to why they do the things they do.

**TKD Black Belt** · Posted On: 4/18/2006 11:19am

This can't be serious

Well, when you're done retching from that read I would suggest I nice bit of mouth wash and heavy doses of reality. While I don't fault someone from making money as they see fit I'm once again stunned by the revelations that just fall into one's lap with a small bit of work.

Note:

Patenaude began his journey in the martial arts nearly three-decades ago in karate, eventually gravitating to wing chun kung-fu under an original Bruce Lee student. By 1979, Patenaude knew he wanted to make the martial arts his career and opened his first school in a church basement in Ottawa. He went on to develop a style called fang-shen do, which is now the curriculum in all of his schools – both personally-owned and franchised.

Seems to me that Siju forgot to mention who infact trained him. Odd, you'd think given the chance to clarify he'd be all of it. He makes very clear his association with Tony Robbins though.

TKD