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    Sports Gambling

    http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL...430038-ap.html

    Does anyone else NOT understand why this is illegal?
    It's their money, let them do whatever they want with it!

    Any legal ppl here who can explain why we should care if someone bets on sports?
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    The idea is you want to keep that element entirely away from the people that run and control sports. I mean, sure, a guy can say, "Well, I never bet hocky, only football" but what happens if at some point he's deep into a bookie, and the guy says, "Hey, there's a way you can get rid of this all at once"


    In this particular case, the guy in question was in a LOT deeper then a little wink-wink-nudge-nudge on the superbowl, too. He was involved in bankrolling a *nationwide* under the table book, from what I understand.
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    They're not accused of fixing games. They didn't bet in the sports they played in. It seems to be illegal to bet on sports period, regardless of who you are. I don't understand that.
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    Because at some point when you make laws you need to see problems before the become issues. It is very simple for some NBA player to get in to megadebt betting on football. Then there bookie tells them all is forgiven if they just throw a game.
    And that's when I figured out that tears couldn't make somebody who was dead alive again. There's another thing to learn about tears, they can't make somebody who doesn't love you any more love you again. It's the same with prayers. I wonder how much of their lives people waste crying and praying to God. If you ask me, the devil makes more sense than God does. I can at least see why people would want him around. It's good to have somebody to blame for the bad stuff they do. Maybe God's there because people get scared of all the bad stuff they do. They figure that God and the Devil are always playing this game of tug-of-war game with them. And they never know which side they're gonna wind up on. I guess that tug-of-war idea explains how sometimes, even when people try to do something good, it still turns out bad.
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    So the only problem is that they are professional athletes? It would be fine if they weren't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elipson
    So the only problem is that they are professional athletes? It would be fine if they weren't?
    Your ultimate question is "Why is gambling illegal?"

    In most places, it is legal under state regulation, and you can gamble within limits, from lotto to casinos.

    There's several reasons for banning gambling, from the religious to the secular, and they all end up being a battle of values that no one will change their mind over.
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    Actually Os that was kind of the point of this post. I can understand the argument for professional athletes, but regular ppl?
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    Quote Originally Posted by elipson
    So the only problem is that they are professional athletes? It would be fine if they weren't?
    The problem arises not so much from gambling itself, which is not illegal. An ILLEGAL gambling ring is one that does things 'under the table', so to speak, in order for the participants to avoid PAYING TAXES on their winnings - which is very illegal.
    That is what the real issue is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elipson
    Actually Os that was kind of the point of this post. I can understand the argument for professional athletes, but regular ppl?
    It's not "illegal" for regular people to bet on sports.

    It's illegal for them to do in places where it's illegal.

    The theory is vice needs to be contained and regulated, and subject to community standards.

    I disagree with the theory, to a degree, but man I know some scary problem gamblers.

    I have sat at a holdem game in the back of an OTB before and been cutting a guy up for like, 5 or 6 yards, and have to continously remind him to sit his ass down and play because he is up around the room betting races or sports.

    It's like, "Dude, you have a problem, now fold your ace-6 and give me another sawbuck so I can loan you a quarter to call GA"
    There's no choice but to confront you, to engage you, to erase you. I've gone to great lengths to expand my threshold of pain. I will use my mistakes against you. There's no other choice.

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