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  1. HoratioHooah is offline

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    2/11/2006 3:07am


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    Grabbing the pant leg...valid or t3H st00pid????

    I recently came home from judo and started wondering about something.

    Earlier tonight, I managed to thwart my sensei, a rokudan, from getting an armbar on me. He pretty much had me in the classic armbar position, and although I still had my arm pretty tightly flexed against my body and clasped with my other hand, it was still only a matter of time until my grip failed and he would get the lock on me. So, instead of letting that happen, I grabbed his gi pants near the ankle of the leg that was over my head, figuring that if he pulled on my arm, he would end up pulling his leg off of my face. From there, I managed to creep back into his guard, only to get swept and pinned.

    Now, I appeal to the greater wisdom and experience of better grapplers: Was grabbing his pant leg a stupid move? Granted, his Olympic silver medal trumphs my pathetic brown belt, and he most likely cut me some slack, is this a technique worth using again? Is there some obvious counter that he didn't utilize, or (*gasp*) he doesn't know?
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    2/11/2006 5:38am

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    Does modern Judo allow for grabbing the gi pants? If so, try it again with other people. Tell them to try thier hardest to get that armbar and see if it works. The principle of using thier own pulling motion to lift thier own leg to allow for an escape seems like a good one to me.
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    2/11/2006 5:44am


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    As far as I know, pant grabbing is very valid (and legal) when it comes to judo. As long as it's not a pistol grip or as long as your fingers aren't inside the pant hem.
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    Posted On:
    2/11/2006 8:12am

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    The higher belts at my class will generally make sure you haven't got any grips before leaning back for the armbar, and bicep slicer or otherwise encourage you to let go if you have. Other than possibly not working I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea, I'll probably give it a try next class.
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    2/13/2006 9:27pm


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    bicep slicer is not legal in judo.

    i dont think the escape is outside judo rules, so go for it
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    Posted On:
    2/13/2006 9:48pm

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    Hahahaha!
    Awesome, brah!
    Make Kev take you out for sushi, next time!

    Yeah, great move. . .
    I don't think it'll work on him again,
    but,
    I don't see why it wouldn't work on others.

    I used to do that to pin opponents arms/legs
    to the floor while I maneuver or transition, and
    even grabbed my own gi at times to keep a limb
    is place, while setting up something else.

    Good Job HH! (except the "only to get. . .pinned" part-*lol)

    `~/

    btw - once you did it, he let it be to reward you. . .
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    Posted On:
    2/14/2006 12:06am

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    Uhm, I would say that is pretty low percentage. Breaking a pant grip is pretty easy with an angle change. He probably decided to go with the more difficult option since you weren't on the same level type of deal. Like if I am rolling with a white belt and they fight an armbar, I could take it, but just switch.
    And that's when I figured out that tears couldn't make somebody who was dead alive again. There's another thing to learn about tears, they can't make somebody who doesn't love you any more love you again. It's the same with prayers. I wonder how much of their lives people waste crying and praying to God. If you ask me, the devil makes more sense than God does. I can at least see why people would want him around. It's good to have somebody to blame for the bad stuff they do. Maybe God's there because people get scared of all the bad stuff they do. They figure that God and the Devil are always playing this game of tug-of-war game with them. And they never know which side they're gonna wind up on. I guess that tug-of-war idea explains how sometimes, even when people try to do something good, it still turns out bad.
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    2/14/2006 12:19am

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    BTW- Who is your instructor?
    And that's when I figured out that tears couldn't make somebody who was dead alive again. There's another thing to learn about tears, they can't make somebody who doesn't love you any more love you again. It's the same with prayers. I wonder how much of their lives people waste crying and praying to God. If you ask me, the devil makes more sense than God does. I can at least see why people would want him around. It's good to have somebody to blame for the bad stuff they do. Maybe God's there because people get scared of all the bad stuff they do. They figure that God and the Devil are always playing this game of tug-of-war game with them. And they never know which side they're gonna wind up on. I guess that tug-of-war idea explains how sometimes, even when people try to do something good, it still turns out bad.
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    2/14/2006 12:23am


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    There's very few ways out of a good set juji (I'm tempted to say _none_:), so if you can stall a bit by grabbing his pants or whatever, do it and you may get a standup, or he's gonna try to switch to something else and you'll have a chance to recover.
    I don't think it's stupid.

    Some versions of bicep slicer are legal in judo BTW.

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    2/14/2006 12:33am

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    No, the aren't. A bicep slicer is a joint compression which is illegal.
    And that's when I figured out that tears couldn't make somebody who was dead alive again. There's another thing to learn about tears, they can't make somebody who doesn't love you any more love you again. It's the same with prayers. I wonder how much of their lives people waste crying and praying to God. If you ask me, the devil makes more sense than God does. I can at least see why people would want him around. It's good to have somebody to blame for the bad stuff they do. Maybe God's there because people get scared of all the bad stuff they do. They figure that God and the Devil are always playing this game of tug-of-war game with them. And they never know which side they're gonna wind up on. I guess that tug-of-war idea explains how sometimes, even when people try to do something good, it still turns out bad.
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