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View Poll Results: Do the ulterior motives of the poster affect the validity of bullshido claim(s)?

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  • No, it makes no difference.

    14 12.61%
  • No, but they sure could be a lot more polite.

    5 4.50%
  • No, but their posts require a tiny bit more scrutiny.

    10 9.01%
  • No, but their posts require A LOT more scrutiny.

    36 32.43%
  • Maybe, I mean if the poster is really a horse's ass or something.

    12 10.81%
  • Probably. All vendettas are automatically viewed suspicsiously

    25 22.52%
  • Yes, it invalids most everything a poster says.

    4 3.60%
  • All of the above.

    3 2.70%
  • None of the above.

    3 2.70%
  • The Seahawks were robbed. :smile:

    24 21.62%
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  1. diamond talons is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/16/2006 9:28pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cullion
    Regarding JFS apparently giving the Groundcontrol academy out as his contact details:

    I've just been told by Steve Richards that he put that on his site (lionsroar) without JFS requesting that he do so.

    There was no intent by Steve to defraud anybody, it's just that JFS doesn't have a fixed home address at the moment for personal reasons I think he's posted about, so that address was the only one Steve could think of as a contact.
    Just not true what he tells you then. Very clever try with he wool to cover the eyes. Read very careful what was written on the website. Gone now but we remember/have saved.

    http://www.bullshido.net/forums/show...1&postcount=94

    Palaestra: Maryland Throw Down: Groundcontrol Brazilian Ju-Jitsu Academy Baltimore MD USA

    Says PALAESTRA. Not saying contact at or details and information from. PALAESTRA. Let us see what defines a PALAESTRA

    http://www.pankrationacademy.com/key...tion_terms.htm

    Palaestra: the training hall where Pankration was taught-often in the open air or a grove of trees.

    Nice try to try and worm out by good friend but people here can see.
    Last edited by diamond talons; 2/16/2006 9:31pm at .
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    Posted On:
    2/16/2006 9:49pm

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    Thanks Diamond Talons for that explanation.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
  3. diamond talons is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/16/2006 9:57pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Richards
    Regarding the comments you raise over the USA 'curriculum' - there is no USA curriculum. What is posted up is an WEST COAST curriculum that is plainly stated on the page - John is on the EAST COAST. Each group, sets its own curriculum - and that is also explicitly stated on the site - the PK org doesn't have a 'curriculum' thats the whole point - people develop on the basis of their on-going experience and that experience is reflected by each individual member who teaches what he has - but who goes on to learn as much as he can.
    Not a true thing really. Let look at the different rules from IUPAD

    IUPAD traditional competition rules

    Knees, elbows, punches, kicks, head butts, throws, locks.
    Striking once on the ground is authorized.

    IUPAD modern pankration rules

    Knees, punches, kicks, throws. Striking once on the ground,
    head butts and elbow strikes are prohibited.

    IUPAD pugilatus rules

    Knees, elbows, punches, kicks, throws. Locks and continuation
    of the combat once on the ground is prohibited.

    IUPAD ancient wrestling competion rules

    Throws, locks. Striking is prohibited


    http://www.pankrationacademy.com/site_map.htm
    http://www.pankrationacademy.com/iupad.htm
    http://www.pankrationacademy.com/iup...tion_rules.htm
    http://www.pankrationacademy.com/iupad_pugilastic.htm
    http://www.pankrationacademy.com/iup...tion_rules.htm

    You can click on each link on webpage and see that all include groundfighting skills. But how can mister jack be more than 10th level blackbelt when he misses one piece complete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Richards
    The PK on the site is explicitly NOT a style or system
    So no style is fine but same rules for training and fighting is odd. This says something to make what was said very inetersing

    Each Palaestra has the responsibility of developing and maintaining its own standards. These standards should be equivalent between different Palaestra's, even if drawn from different martial arts backgrounds and cultures. Equivalence is determined by comparison of achieved standards between Palaestra's, either in competitive sport form, or through other appropriate standards of achievement and progression.

    http://www.pankrationacademy.com/teaching_ranks.htm

    So no equivalence of what one man learn in west coast and another man learn in maryland but have to be equivalent in standards and fit in with IUPAD rules for fights.

    Can moderator or some person look at this thing [I am not sure what. Not style. Not rules. Maybe competition].
    It seems worse than mister jack.
  4. diamond talons is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/16/2006 10:02pm


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    Some say most here conspiring on mister jack but seems some are trying making it covered up.
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    Posted On:
    2/16/2006 10:03pm


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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony
    Thanks Diamond Talons for that explanation.
    Very easy for good eyesight.
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    Posted On:
    2/17/2006 2:09am


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    Quote Originally Posted by SifuAbel
    So he padded his resume a little bit, so what.
    Lol, this is a pretty big deal, since in the BJJ world, people expect someone with 2 years experience to be able to teach them certain things, things that JFS can't teach. But then, perhaps that's just a foreign concept to the community of whatever art it is you do.
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    Posted On:
    2/17/2006 4:55pm

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    You are fucking stupid. Do you read what is said? Did not Omar already point out the "as described as" part that is omitted?

    What fatherdog described was that JFS didn't know his terms. I'd like to know how he would feel if he knew he was just being humored.

    But whatever, keep sucking cocks
    I wake up in the morning and look in the mirror and I see STUPID looking back.
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    Posted On:
    2/17/2006 5:05pm


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    There was no "as described as" on that webpage, which is what most of us are up in arms about. But of course, it's better for you to just ignore that, since it hurts your case.

    How convenient for you, who often like to use strawman arguments, that you don't even have to bother this time; just focus on the weak arguments, and ignore the things that are most damning.
    Last edited by MuKen; 2/17/2006 5:08pm at .
  9. Pandinha is offline

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    Posted On:
    2/17/2006 5:11pm

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    Hey Rudy Abel, how does it feel to get Own3d by a noob?!

    I bet you dont 'even do Kung fu do you rudy? How much have you "PADDED" your resumbe by?

    It's getting to the point that if you see or hear anyone who calls themselves "SIFU" around here, it instantly means Liar.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sifu Rudy Abel
    "Just what makes a pure grappler think he can survive with an experienced striker. Especially if that striker isn't following any particular rule set and is well aware of what the grapplers strategies are".
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    Posted On:
    2/17/2006 5:36pm


     Style: Sanda, BJJ

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    Hell yeah! Hell no!
    Actually, if most Sifus were padding their resumes it would mean many Kung Fu styles aren't responsible for their style's suckage and it's just the con artist's fault. Which I find... highly unlikely. :)

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