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  1. hate2beU is offline

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol
    do you think you are even remotely funny?

    Do you think you are even remotely gay ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jitsuman

    PS **** Minoru Mochizuki and the cult he rode in on. Name dropping impresses Thanos if Titan not in the least. (hehe)

    http://www.yoseikanbudo.com/eng/index.shtml He did study under Kano, so that's cool.

    But go to the photos section, this MA is as I feared.
    So you are saying that Minoru Mochizuki who was a 10th dan in aikido (given by O'sensei ) and 8th dan in Judo (by Kano) can't decide to make another art ? For your information that's how Judo and all other arts got created.

    His son also studied karate (got two 7th dan) and thus introduced that in the art also by the way.

    So here are people WELL versed into different arts that train them in an 'alive' manner and you're saying it's just a fad ?

    We can discuss this in another thread if you want.

    To get back on topic : the way they did this is LAME and if people felt threaten then they should declare it to the police so that there is a trace. I think this action would not help them in court much.
    Martial Arts is like sex, if you over complicate it with exotic sounding names, theories and principles, you end up fucking yourself in the ass. -Ronin69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol
    yes?

    i still think it's dangerous for a 5'3'' anyone to believe to be able to defend oneself against grown men.
    see, i don't even say "woman", as before.
    So Smeagol you are training to defend yourself against small women is that it ?

    So with your comments you were first saying that a woman can't deffend herself against a grown man, then it became any person that is 'small' can't defnd themselves against bigger oponent.

    Most people train to be able to defend themselves against bigger people. Remember Training > size. Agreed that at same training abilities level size does matter that's why there are weight divisions but except in competition you are rarely going to deffend against someone who's trained.

    And even at same training time if one person trains in a alive manner (and Yoseikan people do) will probably be able to defend against someone bigger that never spared realistically.
    Martial Arts is like sex, if you over complicate it with exotic sounding names, theories and principles, you end up fucking yourself in the ass. -Ronin69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol
    yes?

    i still think it's dangerous for a 5'3'' anyone to believe to be able to defend oneself against grown men.
    see, i don't even say "woman", as before.

    Its not dangerous for a 53 person to believe they can defend themselves. They just need to know what disadvantage they are at and how to best proceeded.
    Hell not long ago we had some grandmother catch some guy half way through her window and wear his ass out with her cane. She caught him by surprise and got a good shot to his head and stunned him. He was hung up in the window and she wore his hind parts out with the metal cane.
    It depends on how things go down. When I worked a club I saw a 140-pound boxer take a guy about 230 apart. As others have stated a larger person will all ways have a advantage but it is possible and we all have seen or heard of plenty of smaller people taking out larger ones.
    In this case with the way these guys sound all show and no go my money might be on the girl.
    Hell she might even know the deadly pepper spray to the face and repeated brick to the head technique.
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    Seeing is believing

    Quote Originally Posted by LolodesBois
    So Smeagol you are training to defend yourself against small women is that it ?

    So with your comments you were first saying that a woman can't deffend herself against a grown man, then it became any person that is 'small' can't defnd themselves against bigger oponent.

    Most people train to be able to defend themselves against bigger people. Remember Training > size. Agreed that at same training abilities level size does matter that's why there are weight divisions but except in competition you are rarely going to deffend against someone who's trained.

    And even at same training time if one person trains in a alive manner (and Yoseikan people do) will probably be able to defend against someone bigger that never spared realistically.
    You know.....Germany and Belgium aren't that far apart. Perhaps Smeagol would like to prove his claims at an European Throwdown in the area. I'm sure LolodesBois can find a Yoseikan girl about illiong's height to show him it can be done! I'm sure Mitchi can pick out a few for LolodesBois to use as well.


    oldshadow had it right with the comment about knowing you're at a size disadvantage then plan your defense around it. For example, in our Yoseikan classes we have all the students (not just the females) work with different body types and sizes. We then point out the same thing WONT work on every body type and you have to find what DOES work for the body type your against.
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    First I have to get back to training, I stopped last year when my son was born and have kept finding excuses for not going back...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol
    yes?

    i still think it's dangerous for a 5'3'' anyone to believe to be able to defend oneself against grown men.
    see, i don't even say "woman", as before.
    Hmmm, ir a 5'3" anyone happens to be a 5'3" man, he cannot be a grown man????

    A 5'3" anyone cannot defend oneself from a grown man? How about against a tall, muscular 15 year old teenager????

    What's the magic with the 5'3" height limit? Does it also apply to 5'4", 5'5" women. How about to men?

    I'm pulling your leg here and making fun of you. The more you write, the more that you bend over in all four to get logically gangbanged. You have to learn how to write in a logical fashion to defend your position (assuming it is a logical one.)

    Furthermore, just because you think something is so, that doesn't make it logically valid or right. That's how the world works. There is people who think Steven Seagal can kick anybody's ass. There is people who think women belong to the kitchen. There is people who think all men are pigs. They all think they are right, but they are not. Thinking you are correct doesn't make you so.

    Jigoro Kano was a 5'2" man who at some point didn't weight more than 100lbs. Helio Gracie was also a small man under 5'6". And look at all the things they accomplished.

    One of my sisters is a 5'4" woman with no MA experience at all. And yet, she almost knocked out a 5'10" full-grown man who tried to grab her from behind. As the man tried to grab her waist from behind, she turned around clockwise and hit him in the neck with her forearm, just above the wrist. The man almost fell to the floor, and all he could do was walk away holding his face. In the meantime, my sis had to put her hand on ice for a while (it hurted by she certainly felt good about it).

    This is just an anecdote, and it may be an exception rather than the rule. However, it's a fact, an event that actually happened that proves your assertion wrong.

    Self-defense is not about kicking the **** out of your opponent and run around the octagon with hands raise in triupmph a-la Chuck Lidell. It's not about slaying every living soul and raise your blade in victory like fucking Conan. It can be from, well, yes, kicking the **** out of your opponent to effectively minimize your injuries to just survive a rape attack.

    A larger person will always have the advantage, but that is not guarantee of anything. That has been proven again and again and again.

    MOREOVER, you still haven't addressed anything I've said in my last post when you asked what went wrong with your previous posts. You keep insisting on a point that

    * is moot,
    * is irrelevant to this thread

    You acted like an adolescent ashole, and now you are pathetically trying to present yourself as advocate of a questionable self-defense point of view with the sole purpose of shifting attention away from the crap your previously wrote.

    You have moved from straw man to red herring. Way to go Smeagol. :tard:

    **** EDIT ****

    Smeagol, in the unlikely place you are actually interested about self-defense issues for small women, I'd suggest you check about it here where it was discussed ab-nauseum.
    Last edited by Teh El Macho; 2/14/2006 11:42am at .
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    Quote Originally Posted by elnyka
    Self-defense is not about kicking the **** out of your opponent and run around the octagon with hands raise in triupmph a-la Chuck Lidell.
    ;) To be fair - Chuck Liddell usually punches the **** out of his opponents! :)
    Of course I don't want to be kicked by him, the former kickboxer, either!
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    Quote Originally Posted by elnyka
    Hmmm, ir a 5'3" anyone happens to be a 5'3" man, he cannot be a grown man????

    A 5'3" anyone cannot defend oneself from a grown man? How about against a tall, muscular 15 year old teenager????

    What's the magic with the 5'3" height limit? Does it also apply to 5'4", 5'5" women. How about to men?

    I'm pulling your leg here and making fun of you. The more you write, the more that you bend over in all four to get logically gangbanged. You have to learn how to write in a logical fashion to defend your position (assuming it is a logical one.)

    Furthermore, just because you think something is so, that doesn't make it logically valid or right. That's how the world works. There is people who think Steven Seagal can kick anybody's ass. There is people who think women belong to the kitchen. There is people who think all men are pigs. They all think they are right, but they are not. Thinking you are correct doesn't make you so.

    Jigoro Kano was a 5'2" man who at some point didn't weight more than 100lbs. Helio Gracie was also a small man under 5'6". And look at all the things they accomplished.

    One of my sisters is a 5'4" woman with no MA experience at all. And yet, she almost knocked out a 5'10" full-grown man who tried to grab her from behind. As the man tried to grab her waist from behind, she turned around clockwise and hit him in the neck with her forearm, just above the wrist. The man almost fell to the floor, and all he could do was walk away holding his face. In the meantime, my sis had to put her hand on ice for a while (it hurted by she certainly felt good about it).

    This is just an anecdote, and it may be an exception rather than the rule. However, it's a fact, an event that actually happened that proves your assertion wrong.

    Self-defense is not about kicking the **** out of your opponent and run around the octagon with hands raise in triupmph a-la Chuck Lidell. It's not about slaying every living soul and raise your blade in victory like fucking Conan. It can be from, well, yes, kicking the **** out of your opponent to effectively minimize your injuries to just survive a rape attack.

    A larger person will always have the advantage, but that is not guarantee of anything. That has been proven again and again and again.

    MOREOVER, you still haven't addressed anything I've said in my last post when you asked what went wrong with your previous posts. You keep insisting on a point that

    * is moot,
    * is irrelevant to this thread

    You acted like an adolescent ashole, and now you are pathetically trying to present yourself as advocate of a questionable self-defense point of view with the sole purpose of shifting attention away from the crap your previously wrote.

    You have moved from straw man to red herring. Way to go Smeagol. :tard:

    **** EDIT ****

    Smeagol, in the unlikely place you are actually interested about self-defense issues for small women, I'd suggest you check about it here where it was discussed ab-nauseum.

    Obviously Smeagol has not seen Bob Sapp Fights as he is too busy watching Gay porns.... :icon_smil
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBudoka
    Quote Originally Posted by elnyka
    Self-defense is not about kicking the **** out of your opponent and run around the octagon with hands raise in triupmph a-la Chuck Lidell.
    ;) To be fair - Chuck Liddell usually punches the **** out of his opponents! :)
    Of course I don't want to be kicked by him, the former kickboxer, either!
    Ooopsie, I just noticed I did a typo on that post: I meant it to say self-defense is not JUST about kicking the **** out of your opponent and run around the octagon with hands raise in triupmph a-la Chuck Lidell...

    ... he does punches/kicks the **** out of his opponents, which is pretty cool to watch :) :fist:
    Read this for flexibility and injury prevention, this, this and this for supplementation, this on grip conditioning, and this on staph. New: On strenght standards, relationships and structural balance. Shoulder problems? Read this.

    My crapuous vlog and my blog of training, stuff and crap. NEW: Me, Mrs. Macho and our newborn baby.

    New To Weight Training? Get the StrongLifts 5x5 program and Rippetoe's "Starting Strength, 2nd Ed". Wanna build muscle/gain weight? Check this article. My review on Tactical Nutrition here.

    t-nation - Dissecting the deadlift. Anatomy and Muscle Balancing Videos.

    The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris
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